Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

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Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Morag » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:27 pm

Hi

I seem to have lost this woman ! Here is what I know about her
Sarah Farquhar born 7th January, 1841 Neilston, Renfrewshire
In each census she was living in Barrhead with her parents John & Janet
I can't find her in 1891 or 1901
She died in Barrhead in 1906
She had an Illegitimate son Thomas Clelland in 1867 who died in Barrhead in 1881.

I have looked under the name of Clelland, and also the many spellings of Farquhar - but assume that this is the problem.

Incidently she had a niece also called Sarah Farquhar that I have previously asked for help with. She was born in 1884, and I think went to New York in 1907, never to be found again - must be something to do with Sarahs !

I assume that the one born 1841 remained in Barrhead - but does not show up anywhere. Her parents were both still alive in 1891 but she was not with them ( although they did at that time have a daughter who hadn't aged since 1881, and a grandson that I can find no trace of a birth of - although that is for another day)By 1901 her parents had both died.

I would be grateful for any help with this. ](*,)

Morag
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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by SarahND » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:34 am

Morag wrote:She was born in 1884, and I think went to New York in 1907, never to be found again - must be something to do with Sarahs !
I can confirm this from personal experience :wink:


Have you checked this one to see if the age is transcribed wrongly, as are several other things?! Looks like this Sarah was helping with the birth.

1901
Village of Waterside, Fenwick, Ayrshire
William Swan, 28, Head, born Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Woollen Spinner
Mary Swan, 23, Wife, born Beith, Ayrshire
Jane D Swan, 3 days, Daur, born Fenwick, Ayrshire
Sarah Farguhar, 40, born Banhead, Renfrewshire, Moudhyly Nurse

Here's another candidate for a mis-transcribed age. My, there were a lot of Sarah Farquhars born in Barrhead!

1891
22 Merryland St, Govan, Lanarkshire
George Peacock, 32, Head, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Engineer Fitter
Sarah Farquhar, 39, Servant, born Barrhead, Renfrewshire, General Servant Domestic

Regards,
Sarah, currently very hard to find

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Morag » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:59 am

Hi Sarah - no offense meant about elusive Sarahs !

I hadn't looked at either of these Sarahs due to the ages - but will look further. Scotlands People only has 2 Sarah Farquhars born in Barrhead or Neilston between 1855-2009 - and both of them are mine and have been found elsewhere on these dates, so not sure exactly what truths are being missed out here - either place of birth or age !
The one in Govan seems strange - why would a 32 year old Engine Fitter have a servant ? I have many engine fitters in my family and none have servants but a large proportion of their children work as servants - so maybe she shaved off a few years (10) and was more than his servant !!
Thanks for your help - I will investigate further, but have Christmas presents to wrap just now while I have the house to myself !

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by SarahND » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:07 am

Morag wrote:Hi Sarah - no offense meant about elusive Sarahs !
No offense taken-- I AM hard to find at the moment-- even the Google Map camera has only a hazy, distant view of the house if you know where to look 8)

Happy Christmas! xmas:biggrin:

Sarah

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Montrose Budie » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:43 am

I believe that SarahD has found your Sarah in 1891 and 1901, not least because there is no match in Renfrewshire even when searching on a "wildcard" surname of *r*q*r ............., or even a female with the given name omitted from the search but surname *r*q*r.

The ages in these two entries that SarahD suggests aren't that far off.

Perhaps Sarah FARQUHAR was dissembling a bit and shaved a few years off her age, or maybe she believed that she was 39 in 1891 and 40 in 1901.

In earlier censuses it would have been her father who completed the census household schedule and who could well have been more accurate as regards her age.

Remember that it would be the respective heads of household, William SWAN and George PEACOCK who would have filled in the household schedules in 1891 and 1901, and they could only report what Sarah told them.

The fact that the Sarah in both these census entries is shown as born in Barrhead (not Banhead as in the 1901 Ancestry entry) would lead me to put a large amount of money on this being your missing Sarah, and I don't like losing bets !

The occupation in 1901 is not Moudhyly Nurse but Monthly Nurse, - I assume that Moudhyly Nurse is yet another Ancestry artifact. Note that the surname is definitely FARQUHAR, and not FARGUHAR, altho easily read by someone unfamiliar with Scottish hands and surnames as FARGUHAR !, or read by Ancestry OCR software as FARGUHAR !

Note also in the 1901 census entry the spinning occupation connection taking account of Sarah's occupation in earlier censuses.

Morag wrote: The one in Govan seems strange - why would a 32 year old Engine Fitter have a servant ? I have many engine fitters in my family and none have servants but a large proportion of their children work as servants - so maybe she shaved off a few years (10) and was more than his servant !!
I couldn't possibly comment as regards the 'more than' suggestion !, but then George's age could have been an excellent reason for Sarah to 'massage' hers !

mb


Later PS

Near certain that the 32 year old George PEACOCK of the 1891 Govan census entry, died, reported age 38, in Govan Poorhouse in 1900, single, occupation shown as an engineer.

It could be very interesting to have a look at the earlier record of his admission to the Govan poorhouse, - the Glasgow poor law inspectors' interviews were truly comprehensive, - to see, not least, if there is any mention of his 'bidie-in', - especially if there were issue from the relationship, - altho' probably unlikely in view of Sarah's age.

mb


Even later PPS

These Govan births surely have to be worth a look, -

1883 PEACOCK Agnes Roberts
1885 PEACOCK Agnes Constable
1886 PEACOCK Margaret Wilson
1889 PEACOCK James Stephen
1889 PEACOCK Nellie Stewart

mb

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Morag » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:29 am

Thanks mb

I had come to that conclusion myself - as there are no other Sarah Farquhars that it could be - although shaving 20 years off your age is pushing it a bit !
I will try and check out the poor relief application for George Peacock - but if he was in the poorhouse by 1900, it seems unlikely he could afford a servant in 1891 ???
I hadn't thought of looking for children - the illegitimate son she had in 1867 was given his father's surname , so it is definately worth a look.None of the names listed have any significance to her family, but could be George's.
Thanks again for the input, looks like I'm going to be busy !

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by SarahND » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:53 am

Hi mb & Morag,
George appears to be the son of David and Marion Scott, siblings Lillias, David, John Scott… so no connection there either.

Regards,
Sarah

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Montrose Budie » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:58 pm

Morag wrote:Thanks mb
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I will try and check out the poor relief application for George Peacock - but if he was in the poorhouse by 1900, it seems unlikely he could afford a servant in 1891 ???
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Morag
Morag

As you had already suggested I really don't think that she was a 'servant' in the proper meaning of the word !

But it wasn't for the census enumerator to challenge such information ............

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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Morag » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:24 pm

As they say - these are the secrets they have taken to the grave ! :roll:
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Re: Sarah Farquhar, Barrhead

Post by Montrose Budie » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:15 am

Morag wrote:As they say - these are the secrets they have taken to the grave ! :roll:
Morag,

Always subject to a check in the Glasgow Poor Relief records of the inspector's interview, of course.

This normally took place on the day of the application, or the day after, and went into incredible length, as in reports commonly stretching over two pages!


Let's be kind to the man for a moment, and assume that he was teetotal, had no relatives to support, got a good wage, or better, saved every last penny that he could; then maybe, just maybe, he could afford a cleaner a couple of times a week.

And then, going further, maybe there was a really nasty fog/smog that afternoon (that could be confirmed in contemporaneous newspapers!) so that even the trams weren't running (I experienced one in 1960 and got lost on the quarter mile walk from Kelvinbridge underground station to my digs in Lawrence Street!), so, having a spare bed, he suggested that his cleaner stay over, and that just happened to be census night ...........

Make of that what you will, but nothing, but nothing, would surprise me ...........

Except that the bidie-in theory has to be much more likely ! (For those unfamiliar with the term see http://stooryduster.co.uk/bidie-in )

mb