Dalrymple of St. Andrew.....

[mmuir]

I have been stumped by my Dalrymple branch.
I can not find a bunch of births.
1) I can't find a birth of Elizabeth Margaret Anne Dalrymple between 1850 and 1855 in St. Andrews
2) I can't find a birth of James Dalrymple (her father) in St. Andrews anytime around 1811.
3) I can't find a birth for her brother, James Dalrymple sometime around 1848.
4) Did they reuse Elizabeth Margaret and Anne as names as they lost 3 girls, Elizabeth, Anne and Margaret?
5) In 1881 Margaret Wilson Dalrymple was an Annuiant so where would she get an annuity from?
6) Where did her brother James disappear to? The last record had him as a Gardener.
7)Why would this family use an alternate naming pattern where the child's middle name corresponds to a married aunt's married name. Eg. Christina Taylor Gardner (dau. of Adam Gardner & Elizabeth M A Dalrymple) is named after her aunt Christina McLaren Dalrymple (who married Adam Taylor)

Family I did find in the St. Andrews records.
James Dalrymple & Margaret Wilson married 26 April 1839 in St. Andrews
Christina McLaren Dalrymple born 2 Sept. baptized 6 Sep 1840 in St. Andrews
Elizabeth Wemyss Dalrymple born 2 July baptized 16 July 1842 (but died before 1851 as a child her age isn't there in 1851)
Ann Dalrymple died 12 Jul 1847 (but couldn't find a birth for her)
Margaret Dalrymple born 25 Feb baptized 16 Mar 1845 and died 10 Jan 1849.


Info that I have found below:
My gg grandmother was Elizabeth Margaret Anne Dalrymple. On the 1901 census it lists her as age 48 (born 1853) in St Andrews, Fifeshire. in 1881 she was 27 on the census. She married Adam Gardner (age 24) on 3 Feb 1871 in Linlithgow. She is 21. Her parents are listed as James Dalrymple, Tailor deceased and Margaret Dalrymple ms Wilson. So in a space of 3 records I have her born in 1853, 1854, and 1850. Now 1850 matches the 1851 census of her age being 7 months.

In the 1841 census I found James Dalrymple age 30, a tailor, with Margaret age 30 and Christina age 9 months living on North Street
In 1851, I found the family: North Street, St. Andrews
James Dalrymple 39, journeyman tailor
Margaret, 40, wife
Christian, 10, scholar
James, 3
Elisabeth dau, 7 months
all born in St. Andrew Fife
also in the house is Elizabeth Wemyss, relation, Wid, age 74 born in Ceres, Fifeshire.
Now James as the odacity to die 25 May 1851 in St. Andrew so other than he was born aroudn 1811/12. I have no idea how to find his parents names or birth

With all the information I have found, it makes what I can't find even more frustrating.

Mary Muir
mmuir@aebc.com

[JustJean]

Hi Mary

I hate to get your hopes all up by making a post 'cause I've nothing at all to add to your search. Just thought it important to say that you've done a remarkable job on what you have figured out. I couldn't better it if i tried (and I did try!! )

Maybe you'll take pity on us and give us an easy one next time

Keep up the good work

Best wishes
Jean

[Cathy]

Hi Mary,
you won't always find something pre 1855. And don't be tearing your hair out at ages on census. They are often rounded up or down. You are lucky if they kept it within 5 years. It is also very common for a name to be
re-used when a young child dies.

[LesleyB]

Hi Mary

Elizabeth Wemyss Dalrymple born 2 July baptized 16 July 1842 (but died before 1851 as a child her age isn't there in 1851)

Just an observation 'cos I once made the mistake of assuming just because a child wasn't on the census then they must have died -

Sometimes kids turn up at their grandparents' house, with their aunts, uncles etc. or in one case what seemed to be just "up the road" staying at a friend's house. You may well be correct and she might have died, but an absence in the census is not, as I have found a few times now, in itself conclusive! She may turn up yet....

Best wishes
Lesley

[mmuir]

Hi,

I agree that it is possible Elizabeth Wemyss Dalrymple didn't die but the fact that my gg grandmother (her sister) was named Elizabeth Margaret Anne Dalrymple (which just happens to be all 3 sisters names combined) suggests that they must have lost Elizabeth as well (or there would be two Elizabeths wandering around the place!)

However I did get lucky in that I found the Minute Books of the Tailor Trade of St Andrew. In it there was my James listed as:

DALRYMPLE, JAMES: son of Elizabeth Dalrymple, residing in St Andrews; bound app to Alexander Smith for 5 years, 1 May 1824; in North Street in 1841, aged 30.

I think this makes a few things clear...
1) James was illegitimate, not a big shocker in my family. It happened at least once a generation for by dad's side.
2) I went back to the church records for St. Andrew but I couldn't find his birth (or a birth with Elizabeth Dalrymple as a mother either)
3) It makes the fact that in 1851, there is a Elizabeth Wemyss "relation" living with the family. Now the age for this is right for a mother AND a Elizabeth Dalrymple married Charles Wemyss on 16 Apr 1826 in St Andrews. (Charles and Elizabeth Wemyss were living just a few doors down in the 1841 census) and Charles died in 1848 and Elizabeth died April 1851)

Now here is a new question?
I found a Elizabeth Dalrymple born 22 Aug 1787 christened 26 aug 1787 in Ceres dau of David Dalrymple and Espet Watson
(but this is too young based on an age of 74 in 1851 (so she would be born 1777) it said ceres on the census.

The only one close to the date is Isabel Dalrymple born 1 jul 1776 christened 5 jul 1776 to James Dalrymple & Elspeth Elder

so is it her?

Bye for now