James Warnock possibly born in Rutherglen in 1793

[ammartin47]

I wondered if anyone could help me trace this ancestor who was named as father of my 2x great-grandmother Christina Warnock in 1907. His wife was Margaret Park (b.20.4.1797), but she appears on this certificate as Margaret Dunn, presumably having re-married at some stage. James does not appear on any census, but I have located a possible birth certificate for him in Rutherglen born 20.2.1793 to parents James Warnock & Christian Scott. However this is a bit speculative - could anyone confirm it or have any other information at all about James Warnock?

Thanks
Anne

[AndrewP]

Hi Anne,



The list below if from the online IGI (from a 'parent search' for James Warnock and Margaret Park):

• Christian Warnock; christening: 12 March 1820, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
  Margaret Warnock; christening: 5 December 1824, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
  Agnes Warnock; christening: 10 December 1826, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
  Christian Warnock; christening: 31 October 1830, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
  Mary Warnock; christening: 20 March 1836, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
  Janet Scott Warnock; christening: 9 December 1838, RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND

I take it the 1907 document that you refer to is a death certificate, presumably for the 1830 christening in the list above.

Do you see any of the others in your research?

All the best,

AndrewP

[AndrewP]

Hi again Anne,

From a similar parent search on ScotlandsPeople, the following group shows as children of James Warnock and Christian Scott:

• 25/09/1791 JOHN WARNOCK
  24/02/1793 JAMES WARNOCK
  05/04/1795 CHRISTIAN WARNOCK
  30/04/1797 JOHN WARNOCK
  28/02/1799 WILLIAM WARNOCK
  28/08/1801 JANET WARNOCK
  01/07/1804 MARGARET WARNOCK
  19/04/1807 ARCHIBALD WARNOCK
  07/05/1809 ANDREW WARNOCK

All of the above were born or baptised in Rutherglen. Do these names show up in your research?

All the best,

AndrewP

[AndrewP]

Hi Anne,

In addition to my earlier list, using the ScotlandsPeople search, it shows one of the weaknesses of the otherwise very useful online IGI - there are many parishes where the male births / baptisms are omitted.

These can all be found on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on a pay per view basis.

• 12/03/1820 CHRISTIAN WARNOCK
  05/12/1824 MARGARET WARNOCK
  10/12/1826 AGNES WARNOCK
  14/09/1828 JAMES WARNOCK
  31/10/1830 CHRISTIAN WARNOCK
  06/06/1833 JOHN HAMILTON WARNOCK
  20/03/1836 MARY WARNOCK
  09/12/1838 JANET SCOTT WARNOCK

All in Rutherglen.

All the best,

AndrewP

[ammartin47]

Thanks for your replies Andrew. Yes, the document referred to is indeed the death certificate of the Christina Warnock on the list as Christian christened on 31/10/1830. I have uploaded it as an attachment. The bit that puzzles me is the link between her named father James Warnock and the James who appears in the family of the elder James & Christian Scott, as I seem to have assumed this link without any concrete evidence. The assumption was based on 2 things -

(a) The age seemed about right, but James does not appear on any census so I did not actually know his age

(b) The naming patterns of the younger family look to be a good fit, with the eldest son being James, one of the daughters being Christian and another daughter having a middle name of Scott

Do you think that is enough to make this 'leap of faith'? Or can you think of anything else I can look at to prove or disprove it?

(It's interesting what you say about male names for some parishes being missing. I did not know that before, but now see that it could explain some other discrepancies. Do you know if there is any particular reason why they were omitted?

Many thanks
Anne

[AndrewP]

Hi Anne,

I see it as a leap of faith. However, I cannot tell you that you are wrong. So far there is no sign of any evidence to prove these are the right people; but equally there is none to say that they are not.

On a slightly different tack, have you seen the 1861 census page with Margaret Dunn, her son James Warnock, and a boarder Agnes Park?

All the best,

AndrewP

[ammartin47]

Yes I did see that page - thanks for your help
Anne