Buchanan's from Stirling

[HeWhoDrinksGuinness]

Hi there . I was wondering if any of you could help me at all as I keep hitting dead ends where my searches are concerned.

I am looking for my Buchanan relatives who are from in and around Stirling. My paternal grandfather, John Mooney Grieve Buchanan, was born in Stirling in 1938. He had 3 siblings, Arthur Grieve Buchanan (1927-2012), Elizabeth Buchanan (whom I have no dates for other than that she retired and lived in Cowie, Stirlingshire in 1992), and Davidina Grieve Buchanan (Born in 1931). John and Davidina are both still alive although neither have any more information to help me as it seems they were not a particularly close family.

Their parents names are William Buchanan (supposedly born in the Glasgow area) and Margaret Grieve. I have no dates or locations for either of these two and have so far been unable to find any real record of their existence, although both John and Davidina assure me that their names are correct, but without any more information about them I can't really progress any further back through my family, hence why I have come here for help.

I do know some information about Elizabeth's married life though. She married Augustyn Cichosz (who I believe to be Polish) and they had at least 3 children, Victor A Cichosz, Elizabeth Cichosz, and Davidina Cichosz (who apparently passed away at a relatively young age not too long after her own wedding).

And that's about all I know. I have an Ancestry account and have searched their records and various other websites thoroughly to no avail. If anyone knows anything at all or has any suggestions it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Andy

[SarahND]

Hello Andy and

Have you looked on ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk? That is where the original Scottish certificates can be downloaded (for a small fee.) I did a search for a marriage of William Buchanan and Margaret Grieve and came up with one hit in 1929 in Stirling. Might be worth a look! Their parents' names should be given and then you're on your way backwards through the censuses.


Sarah

[speleobat2]

The certificate that Sarah found is almost unreadable. You need to request another copy from Scotland's People. Hopefully, they can send you a clear copy!

Carol

[SarahND]

Thank goodness they will do that as a matter of course. Unlike some other sites I might mention with the initials FMP where I have been waiting TWO YEARS to get the first pages of a will that were supposed to be part of the will purchased but the index record pointed to the wrong page. No way to browse, so I just send periodic messages and they send periodic generic messages back claiming they are working on it. Obviously not working very hard!
I am always impressed with the customer service on ScotlandsPeople.

Sarah

[speleobat2]

Yes, I've had very good luck with SP following up on the two illegible images that I've dealt with in the past. Hope they come through for Andy. All I can read on the cert. is William Buchanan and deceased ! Very frustrating!

Carol

[speleobat2]

Ok, after looking at this further and rummaging around in some other documents, here is my take on the marriage certificate for William Buchanan and Margaret Grieve: William was possibly a Ploughman. His father was William Buchanan and he was deceased at the time of the marriage. His wife's name was Elizabeth maiden name unreadable and she was also deceased. Margaret Grieve was a spinster. Her parents might be Thomas Grieve, deceased and Elizabeth Mooney. There is a marriage in 1897 for Thomas Grieve and Elizabeth Mooney. On the 1911 Census Thomas Grieve is a coal miner-hewer born in Edinburgh and is 46. Elizabeth is 36 and was born in Dundee. Children: Thomas 13 who is a labourer above ground born in Bellshill, Elizabeth 9 Bellshill, David 4 born in Cowie, Stirling, Margaret 5, Cowie, Isabella 3 Cowie, James 2 Cowie. I have the certificate on my Desktop, but can't get it to post either in the gallery or on Photobucket.

Carol

[AndrewP]

On looking at the marriage certificate, I think the mother's maiden surname is "___lly", and that the father was a shoemaker (master). I see a suitable marriage in Glasgow (Dennistoun), of William Buchanan (shoemaker journeyman) and Elizabeth Reilley (note the spelling if you are searching for this marriage) in 1879.

In the 1891 census, William (shoemaker), Elizabeth, William (6) and Elizabeth (4) can be found in Glasgow (Milton).

On WIlliam's 1929 marriage certificate (marriage in December 1928), he is shown as a 44 year old widower. William's birth can be found in Glasgow (Blackfriars) in 1884.

Elizabeth's death certificate shows that she died in 1903 in Glasgow (St Rollox) in the City Poorhouse. Her widower William is described as a Quay labourer. The informant was her (presumably married) sister, surname Flynn.

All the best,

AndrewP

[speleobat2]

SP sent me a rescan of the marriage certificate. Here's a few more bits and pieces. William Jr. 44 was indeed a Ploughman and a widower. His residence was Drumdruils (sp?), Dunblane. Margaret Grieve was a hotel waitress. She was 22 and lived at 13 St. Johns Street, Stirling. William Sr. was as Andrew said a master shoemaker. Both he and Elizabeth Reilly Buchanan were deceased at the time of the wedding. Thomas Grieve was an Admiralty Storeman and was deceased. Elizabeth Mooney Grieve was still living. The minister was Thomas Skeoch of Marykirk Parish, Stirling. The witnesses were Robert Divens of 294 Main St. Coatbridge and Elizabeth Hall of 13 St. John St., Stirling the same address as Margaret Grieve.

Carol

[HeWhoDrinksGuinness]

Hi everyone. Sorry for not responding sooner. Thank you so much for all of your help! It is greatly appreciated by myself and my father