Alexander FRASER- Janet McRAE.....

[gwenn02]

I am looking for the details (parents and witnesses) of the marriage between
Alexander FRASER & Janet McRAE, - 25 June 1852 at Daviot&Dunlichity, Inverness

Who can help

thanks in advance

[DavidWW]

I am looking for the details (parents and witnesses) of the marriage between
Alexander FRASER & Janet McRAE, - 25 June 1852 at Daviot&Dunlichity, Inverness

Who can help

thanks in advance

The OPR shows two records for this marriage, the earlier being 04 JUN 1852 Knockbain, which probably means that the marriage took place there, - being the place of residence of Janet, with the marriage (or banns) also being recorded in Daviot & Dunlichty, Alexander's palce of residence.

Unfortunately the OPR images are not yet on line, so that you either need to order the microfilms at your nearest LDS Family History Center; order the copies from GROS, or wait until some kind person can have a look at the microfilms at New Register House in Edinburgh.

David

[WilmaM]

I don't think I can help with the details Gwen, but your post caught my eye.

I've just spent a week's holiday in the Daviot & Dunlichity area - I've some photos too if you'd like to have some send me a PM.

As they were married before Statutory registration began [ in 1855] the marriage details weren't as informative as later on.

Have you tried looking for them in the census records ? in 1851 they may very well be found with their parents.
Freecen doesn't have that area for 1851 as yet

but even if you find them together in 1861 [ that is now online at Scotlandspeople I believe] that will at least give you their age and place of birth to start from.

Fraser seems to be a very common name around there

[gwenn02]

Thanks David. Is an earlier date does not means (like in some other countries) the date of the formal engagement before marriage ?

Anyway thank you for your answer

I am looking for the details (parents and witnesses) of the marriage between
Alexander FRASER & Janet McRAE, - 25 June 1852 at Daviot&Dunlichity, Inverness

Who can help

thanks in advance

The OPR shows two records for this marriage, the earlier being 04 JUN 1852 Knockbain, which probably means that the marriage took place there, - being the place of residence of Janet, with the marriage (or banns) also being recorded in Daviot & Dunlichty, Alexander's palce of residence.

Unfortunately the OPR images are not yet on line, so that you either need to order the microfilms at your nearest LDS Family History Center; order the copies from GROS, or wait until some kind person can have a look at the microfilms at New Register House in Edinburgh.

David

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi

There is a child born to Alexander Fraser and Janet McRae on the IGI.

Grace Margaret Fraser b 9 Jan 1856 in Daviot.

Her birth certificate can be obtained from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and should show the exact date of her parents marriage, also her place of birth. Then you can look for them on the censuses on the same site.

Jean

[gwenn02]

I have Grace Margaret Fraser (but not details of her birth certificate) she is my husband great grand mother and she emigrated in NZ (sometime before 1882 ? ) where she married Charles MacDonald (from Applecross)

Thanks for the link... I need to credit my account at SP now

Hi

There is a child born to Alexander Fraser and Janet McRae on the IGI.

Grace Margaret Fraser b 9 Jan 1856 in Daviot.

Her birth certificate can be obtained from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and should show the exact date of her parents marriage, also her place of birth. Then you can look for them on the censuses on the same site.

Jean

[Jean Jeanie]

Good luck!

Let us know how you get on

Jean

[DavidWW]

Thanks David. Is an earlier date does not means (like in some other countries) the date of the formal engagement before marriage ?

No!

It's the Scottish system of the calling of, or proclamation of the banns, - the announcement of the intention to marry in the church during the Sunday service, in order to give anyone who had knowledge of an impediment to the proposed marriage to object.

This had to happen 3 times, but that could be 2 Sundays, utilising the morning and evening services on one Sunday. In exceptional circumstances, where the minister knew the couple, and time was of the absolute essence , the 3 proclamations could be made on one Sunday, but there had to be a 48 hour period for objections to be made before the couple could be given the go-ahead to be married.

If the couple came from different parishes, then, strictly speaking, the banns had to be proclaimed in both parishes, leading to what you are seeing here, the "double" recording of the marriage. Be aware that many of these OPR "marriage" records are not records of the marriage itself, - they are just the record of the proclamation of the banns. In most cases the marriage then went ahead, but, as far as the Church was concerned, the important procedure was the proclamation.

In the worst case in terms of the information that the record gives, you will find that all that is contained in the OPR record is the record of the payment of the required fee, e.g. - "John SMITH and Mary BROWN gave in their names for marriage, Pd 2/6d"

Such double recording isn't consistent. The groom might arrange for temporary residence in the bride's parish, especially if he needed to avoid paying two sets of fees for the proclamations, - which weren't at all inexpensive in relation to the wages of the time.

In exceptional situations I've even come across a "triple" recording, where the bride and groom were very recent incomers to the parish, and a very strict minister required them to have the banns cried in each of their separate parishes of origins

Where the OPR record is that of the calling of the banns, there is sometimes, but only sometimes the addition of the date of the subsequent marriage.

If you are involved with an OPR where there are several pages before and after your record of interest where it is the case that the date of marriage has been added, but, in the case of your record of interest there is no such annotation, then that may mean that the marriage did not proceed, but there can be no certainty, only probability..........

David

[DavidWW]

I have Grace Margaret Fraser (but not details of her birth certificate) she is my husband great grand mother and she emigrated in NZ (sometime before 1882 ? ) where she married Charles MacDonald (from Applecross)

Thanks for the link... I need to credit my account at SP now

Hi

There is a child born to Alexander Fraser and Janet McRae on the IGI.

Grace Margaret Fraser b 9 Jan 1856 in Daviot.

Her birth certificate can be obtained from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and should show the exact date of her parents marriage, also her place of birth. Then you can look for them on the censuses on the same site.

Jean

Gwen

I'm afraid that an 1856 birth register entry won't show the place and date of the marriage of the parents, as that information was dropped in the period 1856 to 1860, i.e. this info wasn't restored until 1861

In this case there don't appear to be any other births to the couple..... especially in 1861 or later .........

David