looking for help on the cockburn family.....

[katie6515]

I AM TRYING TOO FIND OUT ABOUT THE COCKBURN FAMILY FROM SOUTH LEITH EDINBURGH. PARENTS ARE THOMAS COCKBURN AND LYDIA COCKBURN MAIDEN NAME FRIER. THEIR KIDS ARE CALLED JAMES, HENRY,GEORGE,WILLIAM,ALEXANDER,ALISON,THOMAS,ISABELLA AND CHRISTINA. GOT LOTS ON JAMES, GOT A MARRIAGE FOR ALEXANDER TO JANE TOSHACK AND ONE CHILD, AND A MARRIAGE FOR THOMAS TOO MARGARET INGLIS. THE KIDS BIRTHS ARE FROM 1881-1904 AND THE PARENTS MARRIAGE 1881 CAN ANYONE HELP

[AnneM]

Hi Katie

What information are you looking for? I am currently using a Mac laptop which won't display images from SP but I can see the marriage for Thomas and Lydia in 1881 in Canongate Edinburgh is there. I'm assuming you've looked at that and therefore have their parents and ages. I'm guessing that your Lydia was born Lydia Fraser Frier 1861 in Edinburgh to Colin Frier and Christina Noble who don't seem to have any more children given onthe IGI. As I could not look at the MC I could not see when exactly in 1881 they were married but try as I might I could not find Lydia on the 1881 (which I can see) either as Frier or variations or as Cockburn. There are a couple of possiblities for Thomas, though, if they got married post the census date.

Sorry this is not more helpful. Are you hoping to look forward or backwards?

Anne

[katie6515]

LYDIA WAS BORN IN 1861 AND HER PARENTS WERE COLIN FRIER AND CHRISTINA NOBLE, LYDIA WAS MARRIED ON THE 3RD OF MAY 1881. THOMAS PARENTS WERE ALEXANDER COCKBURN AND ISABELLA HOGG THEY MARRIED IN 1855, CANT FIND BIRTH CERT FOR THEM BUT ALEXANDER DIED IN 1890 AND ISABELLA DIED IN 1889, THEY HAD 5 KIDS THOMAS, JOHN, ALEXANDER,ISABELLA AND ALISON, THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE FOUND ANYTHING ON IS THOMAS WHO WAS MY GRANDAD (JAMES) DAD. ANY HELP IS GOOD THANKS AGAIN

[JustJean]

Hello Katie

I'm not sure if you have this 1881 census data....

Dwelling: 9 Jane St
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224019 GRO Ref Volume 692-2 EnumDist 13 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander COCKBURN M 58 M Ratho, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Sawyer
Isabel COCKBURN M 56 F Prestonkirk, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Thos. COCKBURN M 24 M Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coppersmith
Alison COCKBURN 15 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dressmaker
Isabella HOGG 14 F London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Niece
Occ: Scholar


this may be daughter Isabella in 1881 based on her mother's place of birth being Haddington living with an aunt and uncle??....but this would need to be further researched to be sure!!!



Dwelling: Village Cottage
Census Place: Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224025 GRO Ref Volume 703 EnumDist 1 Page 11
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas GRIERSON M 41 M Athelstrd, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Mole Catcher And Grocer
Alice GRIERSON M 41 F Prestonkirk, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Thomas GRIERSON 15 M Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Pupil Teacher
Isabella GRIERSON 12 F Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Alexander GRIERSON 11 M Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth GRIERSON 8 F Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Andrew GRIERSON 6 M Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Charles GRIERSON 4 M Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Son
Ann GRIERSON 2 F Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Alice GRIERSON 1 F Athelstaneford, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Elizabeth GRIERSON W 77 F Spott, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Mother Handicap: Blind
Occ: Annuitant
Isabella COCKBURN U 22 F South Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Niece
Occ: Teacher (Unemployed)


Were Alexander's parents stated on his DC in 1890??? I've counted up 16 Cockburn couples that were having babies in Leith around the same time as Alexander and Isabella.....odds are good that at least one or two might be siblings to him!

Best wishes
Jean

[katie6515]

THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SENT I DIDNT HAVE, ALEXANDER PARENTS WERE CALLED THOMAS COCKBURN AND ELSPETH KAY BORN IN RATHO THEY HAD FIVE KIDS DAVID,JANE,MARGARET,ALEXANDER AND THOMAS, THEY MARRIED IN 1820 IN RATHO. CANT FIND BIRTH CERT FOR THOMAS AND ELSPETH BUT FOUND A DEATH FOR ELSPETH 1866, FOUND ELSPETH ON THE 1861 CENSES LOOKS LIKE THOMAS DIED BEFORE THEN. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP

[isobelc]

Hi Katie,

Here is Lydia on the 1881 census. The address matches that on the 1881 marriage cert:-

Dwelling: 38 New Street
Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224002 GRO Ref Volume 685-3 EnumDist 67 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Christina MC LAREN M 49 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Washer Woman
Lydia MC LAREN U 20 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Dom Servant (Unemployed)
Susan MC LAREN U 16 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Book Folder
Janet MC LAREN 14 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Dom Servant

Colin Frier, Flesher Journeyman, died in 1863 aged 36 (parents Thomas Frier and Lydia Fraser, both deceased). He died after falling backwards down some stairs. Christina then married Thomas McLaren (also a Flesher Journeyman) in 1864 and they had two daughters- Susan in 1864 and Janet Finlay in 1866. On the marriage certificate her parents are given as Robert Noble deceased and Marion Veitch.

Regards,

Isobel (Edinburgh)

[katie6515]

THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ON LYDIA FRIER, I THOUGHT SHE WAS AN ONLY CHILD,THREE OFF HER KIDS HAVE FRIER,NOBLE AND FRASER AS THEIR MIDDLE NAMES. NEVER FOUND HER ON THE CENSES FOR 1881 AS I WAS LOOKING FOR FRIER NOT MCLAREN. SHE MUST OFF TAKEN HER MUM NEW HUSBAND NAME BUT ON HER MARRIAGE AND DEATH CERT HER MAIDEN NAME IS FRIER THANKS AGAIN

[Andy]

Don't know if this was an enumerator on the sauce again but a possibility:

Dwelling: 21 Brougham Place
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224006 GRO Ref Volume 685-4 EnumDist 87 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George COCKBURN M 49 M Musselburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Watchmaker Jeweller Master Employing One Man & One Boy
Eliza H. COCKBURN M 46 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Lydia G. COCKBURN U 20 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
William S. COCKBURN U 18 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Watchmaker Apprentice
Alice L. COCKBURN U 16 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Milliner Assistant
Eliza F. COCKBURN 13 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar


OR a patient in New Royal Infirmary Edinburgh

Lydia Christina MC GREGOR U 19 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Patient
Occ: General Dom Servt

OR is there a possiblity that the Mother, Christina remarried a Thomas McLaren? I THINK SO!

Dwelling: 38 New Street
Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224002 GRO Ref Volume 685-3 EnumDist 67 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Christina MC LAREN M 49 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Washer Woman
Lydia MC LAREN U 20 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Dom Servant (Unemployed)
Susan MC LAREN U 16 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Book Folder
Janet MC LAREN 14 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Dom Servant

Lydia's birth is recorded with the parents Colin and Christina

Susan McLaren's parents were Thomas and Christina Noble or Frier

So there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andy]

Thomas McLaren and Christina married in 1864 so Colin Frier died between 1861 and 1864 (in fact 1863)

Colin's mother was a Fraser which is where Lydia gets her middle name.

Christina probably knocked a few years off her age, she's reported to have married Colin in 1846, if the census is accurate this means she was 15.

There are a few other Friers who could be related:

Dwelling: 4 No Richmond St
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224008 GRO Ref Volume 685-5 EnumDist 13 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Adam FRIER M 32 M Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Type Founder Caster
Margaret FRIER M 24 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Wife
William Mc K FRIER 18 M Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son



Dwelling: 5 Shrubhill House
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223997 GRO Ref Volume 685-2 EnumDist 47 Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Euphemia FRIER U 32 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Cook Domes Serv
Agnes MOCHRIE 10 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar


Dwelling: 35 Castle Ter
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223990 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 23 Page 21
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charlotte SMITH U 78 F England
Rel: Head
Occ: Annuitant
Mary C. FRIER U 32 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Neice
Occ: Milliner
Catherine WHYTE U 60 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Missionary

Euphemia and Mary Craig were sisters, Parents John and Agnes Law Stevenson

[Andy]

Colour me pink: after all that I just noticed isobelc posting:

Sorry for the double up