Frood family.....

[nolanpa1]

I am searching for the Frood family of Glasgow from the 19th century.

My ancestor is Catherine Frood born circa 1847 Glasgow. According to her marriage and subsequent death certificates her parents are James Frood (occupation tailor and was deceased by the time Catherine married John Gallacher 19th May 1868) and Elizabeth McCaig (not given as deceased when Catherine married). Catherine died 7th Feb 1907 Govan, Glasgow.

I have searched Scotland's people and cannot find any details of Catherine's birth or any trace of her parents. Could be that her parents did not originate in Scotland or that their names have been entered under some weird spelling permutation which I haven't thought of.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am not at a complete dead end with this side of my family.

Thanks
Pamela

[WilmaM]

Hello Pamela,

Have tried looking for the family on any of the census returns? 1861 may give you Catherine living with her parents and any siblings with the added information of their birthplaces.
A quick look indicates 7 Catherine Froods, or variations, between the age of 10 & 20 in 1861, hopefully yours is one of them.

Frood is a rather unusual surname, the IGI on http://www.familysearch.org has them mainly in England but no-one near your Catherine's DOB. [ some surname variations are Frood, Froud, Froude, Frudd, Froad, Frod, Fruid]

[Jack]

Hi Pamela,
You may already have this, but do you know if Catherine had any siblings?
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1881 Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 12 Victoria Street
Source: FHL Film 0203686 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 28 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John GALLACHER M 32 M Wigton, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Boiler Maker
Catherine GALLACHER M 32 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Gracey GALLACHER U 12 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Robina GALLACHER U 8 F Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Annia GALLACHER U 6 F Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
John GALLACHER U 4 M Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Peter GALLACHER U 2 M Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Domnic GALLACHER 3m M Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Francis RILLEY U 36 F Ireland Rel: Visitor Occ: Dyer
Duncan MC GREGOR U 16 M Govan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Rivet Heater
--
If the family weren't Ch. of Scotland then doubtful if they would be recorded in the OPRs.
But alas, even if they were, not all births were recorded pre 1855.

Jack

[nolanpa1]

Hi,

Jack, thanks for your reply, I already have all of the census returns from after Catherine is married it is those prior to her marriage I am interested in. I didn't realize that the old parish records were exclusive to members of the Church of Scotland and since Catherine was married in a St Anthony's catholic church in Govan it would seem thta she was in fact a Roman Catholic. Is there anywhere which stores details of births/baptisms for Catholic churches??

Wilma, I have searched the 1861 census on Scotland's people but I wasn't sure how accurately the ages were recorded, any idea?? Did they round ages up or down??

Any further comments are greatly appreciated
Pamela

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Pamela

In 1861 ages were not rounded up or down. The age shown is the age given to the enumerator.

Of course, in lots of instances, our ancestors did not know how old they were and often guessed, which is why ages vary so much on the censuses.

Jean

[DavidWW]

As I often ask audiences at lectures "How do you know how old you are?" !

And then get them to understand how it was if you didn't have a piece of paper (as we all do these days), - a baptismal certificate for births in Scotland prior to 1855, or other evidence of the date of birth, - then how were you supposed to know exactly how old you were if you didn't have a parent to ask, and, even then, to what extent could their memory be trusted

David

[Jack]

Hi Pamela,

Alas i know nothing of early Roman Catholic records - maybe post a separate query?

Though John Gallagher may have been RC, that's not to say Catherine was too.
In my own families, "mixed", for want of a better word, marriages only start appearing from the 1890s.

Does Catherine have any known siblings? If she has, it might help find her in 1851/1861.

Ta - Jack

[nolanpa1]

Thanks for your posts everyone.

I'm afraid I have no idea if Catherine had any siblings, I traced her through the census records, marriage and death certificates.

There is a Mary Frood with a Catherine Frood in the 1861 census but Catherine's age doesn't fit with those given in the 1881-1901 census or marriage and death certificates. Could this still be the correct person?

[nolanpa1]

I do have Catherine's address when she married John Gallacher in 1868. It was given as Haughhead House, Govan Road. From this certificate it seems she couldn't write as she has just signed an x as her mark, her occupation is written as Confectioner's Hand.

Is the 1861 census searchable by street name?? I know where Govan Road is but I have never heard of Haughhead House, could this be a poor house or something of this type? Has anyone every heard of this place?

Thanks
Pamela

[WilmaM]

Found it !

I had a look at : http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

and Haughhead house is [was] at the Plantation end of Govan Road - away to the East. Near the Mavisbank Quay.

I think it's about where Govan Road now turns south to avoid where the Cessnock docks were [ then the Garden festival in 88, now a park and housing ! - confused yet ?]

To find it go to Lanarkshire , Govan then click East twice and 'enlarged view' If you go to the extreme South East Haughhead is just at the extreme North West corner - beyond Plantation House.

Or an easier way is :
http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/to ... entre.html

click square VI.10.16 it's the house on it's on about the middle.

Hope this helps ?