Glasgow Obituaries ..update.....

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Glasgow Obituaries ..update.....

Post by ladybird » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:31 am

see my post 21st October

I now have the actual burial for my John Jeffrey : woohoo at last!!

SEARCH OF BURIAL RECORDS
Southern Necropolis Cemetery Lair 3683 30 Shilling
Eastern Division
Lair Owner John Jeffrey
No address recorded
03.12.1848 John Jeffrey Age 57 years

23.01.1929 Elizabeth Robertson Age 81 years


Turns out to be a different John Jeffrey to the one that Wylie and Lochead Undertakers had in their records...but this is definately mine, right lair number in the Southern Necropolis etc

Such a shame to lose all those lovely funeral details though and I can't believe that 2 John Jeffreys died within 11 days of each other :(

Just a small question here? The Elizabeth Robertson who is buried with him...who's she :?: Is it possible they buried unrelated people in the same plot?

Sylvia
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Post by Jean Jeanie » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:00 pm

Hi Sylvia

Re Elizabeth Robertson

I have twice "found" an unexplained name in my family plots.

Each time they turned out to be relatives. On one occasion a sister. Presumably the husband couldn't afford a plot and she was buried with her own family. The second time it was a child of a sister. Again presumably his parents couldn't afford a plot.

If it was me I'd be tempted to look at the d.c. esp as you have a date of death.

You never know where it may lead you.................
Jean

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Post by joette » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:53 pm

Well nosey me I had a look but the only Elizabeth Robertson on SP for that age/date died in Shetland- a bit far to come for a burial dont you think? :?
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Post by LesleyB » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:10 pm

Hi Joette
but the only Elizabeth Robertson on SP for that age/date
I'd be tempted to give a little "slack" on both the date and age for that Elizabeth and see if anyone else turns up as a likely suspect. It may not be the case here, and it may be the Elizabeth from Shetland that you've already found, but my experience has been that what is carved in stone is not always accurate!

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Post by ladybird » Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:48 am

I had a look at various Elizabeth Robertsons around the age range.
None of the maiden names ring any bells with me and I'm tempted to think it may be this poor soul who died in Blytheswood (unmarried) of Senile Exhaustion and Cerebral Thrombosis.

1929 SRI Death ROBERTSON, ELIZABETH (Statutory Deaths 644/10 0133) 09/11/2005 18:57:40

Very sad if she had no family to share a plot with.
Sylvia

Later...ooops no can't be her she died in May 1929 not January.
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Post by Andy » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:46 am

Here's a wee tip to help narrow down Elizabeth Robertson.

Elizabeth supposedly died age 81 on the 23rd Jan 1929 there are a good few Elizabeth Robertson deaths between the ages of 75 and 85 for the years 1928 and 1929 (there was an outside chance that she died late in December 1928 but wasn't actually buried until 23rd Jan 1929).

No 81 year old Elizabeth Robertsons died in either year Ann Elizabeth 83 died in Shetland 1929 with an entry of 0007 so earlyish in the year. Elizabeth Margaret age 82 also died in 1929 with a Skerries entry of 17 so a bit later in the year.

Elizabeth (Coull) Robertson age 84 died in 1928 in Kincardine but her entry number is 0021 ... so early 1928.

Going through the 15 Elizabeth Robertson deaths there are only a few possibilities:

1929 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH CURRIE F 79 LARKHALL LANARK 638/01 0064 (unlikely to have been 64 deaths in Larkhall by 23rd Jan)

1929 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH FERGUSON F 77 CADDER (EASTERN) LANARK 626/A2 0002 (this would be my first choice)

1929 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH MARGARET IRVINE F 82 SKERRIES SHETLAND 008/00 0017 (although the entry number is only 17 I reckon in Skerries, Shetland, population about 7000, the 17th death in a year would be more likely to be around AUGUST)

1929 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH RUST MURRAY F 85 BANCHORY TERNAN KINCARDINE 252/00 0013 (early in the year but a fair hike to Southern Necropolis.)

All the other entry numbers are too low in 1928 or too high in 1929

The whole of Inverclyde, population about 85,000 has an average of 4 deaths per day (about the same in 1929 when the population was about the same but people didn't live as long) in the winter months so a death entry of 23 Jan would have been about 80 give or take a few.

There are another few possibilities:

1928 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH GILMO GIBSON F 82 CAMBUSLANG GLASGOW CITY LANARK 627/00 0063

Entry 63 is fairly early in the year for a town the size of Greenock but Cambuslang is the biggest village in Scotland with a current population of about 20,000 so it becomes less likely that there were 63 deaths by the 23rd Jan more like March or April. Similarly for:

1929 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH CURRIE F 79 LARKHALL LANARK 638/01 0064

Larkhall has a current population of about 14,000 so entry 64 would probably be around late May to mid June.

Demographic topography is a very useful method of narrowing down elusive vital records.
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Post by ladybird » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:22 am

Thanks Andy
I often wondered what all the numbers meant :D

I have just been through 4 pages of Elizabeth Robertson births on SP. The only one that even comes close to a tentative link to John Jeffrey is this one. I have a Martha Todd who was wife to one of John's sons, but I know nothing else about her family ie siblings

57 15/01/1849 ROBERTSON ELIZABETH ANN ALEXANDER ROBERTSON/JANET TODD FR6066 F GLASGOW 644/01 038
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Post by Andy » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:49 am

Had to edit the last post twice to change all the 1828 and 1829 to 1928 and 1929.

The twentieth century is FAR too recent for me :P
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Post by DavidWW » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:56 am

Some year ago following an intensive 3 days at NRH on my own tree, my bank returned a cheque to me pointing out that they couldn't honour it as the year in the date was 1878 :-

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Post by nelmit » Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:43 pm

There was a very high number of deaths in Glasgow at this time due to cholera so there would be more entries than normal.

I discovered this while searching for John's death on the film of High Church.

Annette M

P.S. Glad you found him Sylvia but I still haven't forgotten about obit.