Samuel Kelly & Ancestors.....

[KenS]

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[Jack]

Hi Kenneth,
You've a BIG family out there somewhere! Details are from the IGI,
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... _form=true
An LDS member most certainly has an interest, and there's a lot of useful info in the submissions for you to check up on.
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EDWARD KELLEY
MARY ANN GARVEN
Marriage: 20 MAR 1852 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [OPR extract]
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Edward KELLY - Birth: 06 AUG 1829 Colerine, Ulster Province, Ireland
Death: 05 JUL 1908
Parents: Samuel Kelly & Catherine Greer
Spouse: Mary Ann Garvin - Marriage: 22 MAR 1852 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [LDS submission]
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Mary Ann Garvin - Birth: 1825 Artecliff, Ulster Province, Ireland
Death: 1903
Parents: Daniel Garvin & Elizabeth Holly
Spouse: Edward KELLY - Marriage: 22 MAR 1852 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [LDS submission]
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Some children - one is a submission, all others are extracts.
HELEN KELLY - Birth: 20 NOV 1850 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
*SAMUEL KELLY - Birth: 08 SEP 1852 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
ELIZABETH HOLLY KELLY - Birth: 26 SEP 1854 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [LDS submission]
CATHERINE KELLY - Birth: 08 OCT 1856 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
ALEXANDER BRUCE KELLY - Birth: 20 APR 1859 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
MARY KELLY - Birth: 01 SEP 1861 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
EDWARD KELLY - Birth: 03 SEP 1863 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
JOHN KELLY - Birth: 05 MAY 1865 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
HELEN KELLY - Birth: 09 DEC 1866 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
MATILDA KELLY - Birth: 21 OCT 1868 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
JANE KELLY - Birth: 12 OCT 1870 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
SUSANNAH KELLY - Birth: 08 FEB 1873 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
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*SAMUEL KELLY
JANE HENDERSON
Marriage: 31 DEC 1873 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland [OPR extract]
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Samuel Kelly - Birth: 08 SEP 1853 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
Death: 1900
Parents: Edward KELLY & Mary Ann Garvin
Spouse: Janet Shaw Henderson - Marriage: About 1873, Scotland [LDS submission]

This might be a daur of Samuel & Jane?
JANET RUSSELL KELLY - Birth: 08 JUN 1874 Govan, Lanark, Scotland
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Should keep you busy for a wee while!
Jack

[KenS]

Jack, Thank you so much for the research you have done RE: my Kelly ancestors. I know from what you have found that everything fits what I already knew, but you found much more than I had hoped for.

I have found that there are many kind people like you in the TalkingScots family who are willing to spend personal time for the benifit of others.

Thank you once again,
Ken Stewart

[Jack]

Hi Kenneth,
Samuel KELLY & Cathrine look like yours, and could this be son Edward in 1851 too?
Sorry, forgot [now added] to get the Mary GARVIN 22 in 1851 at Cardross - she is with father Daniel 63, but no mother.
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1851 cens 494 (390) Ed 2 p 5 (Cardross)
Rill? St. (16).
Samuel KELLY, head, marr, 53, agricultural labourer, b Co. Down, Ireland
Cathrine KELLY, wife, marr, 58, ------------------------ b Co. Down, Ireland
Robert DERNON? lodger, u/m 28, garden labourer, b Co. Antrim, Ireland
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1851 cens 494 (390) Ed 2 p 1 (Cardross)
Cardross Mill. [with Robert Ferrier, miller & farmer]
Edward KELLY, servant, u/m 21, ?drayster? b Co. Down, Ireland
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I dare say you'll have already got this next one.

1881 Census Place: Cardross, Dumbarton, Scotland
Dwelling: Clyde Shore
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 494 EnumDist 3 Page 19
Edward KELLY M 51 M Down, Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Genl Labourer
Mary KELLY M 52 F Derry, Ireland Rel: Wife Occ: Genl Labourers Wife
Samuel KELLY W 28 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Journeyman Joiner [note Samuel is a widower]
Alexander B. B. KELLY U 21 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Journeyman Joiner
Edward KELLY U 17 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Journeyman Gardener
Matilda KELLY 12 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar
Jane KELLY 10 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar
Susanna KELLY 8 F Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar
James KELLY 6 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Janet KELLY 6 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Grd Dau Occ: Scholar [Samuel's daur]
Edward KELLY 3 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Grd Son [Samuel's son]
Alice WALKER W 48 F Lanark, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Dressmaker
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Don't know where this Elizabeth Jane KELLY fits in, but she is born Co. Down.
Maybe a daur of Samuel KELLY & Catherine GREER? Her DC (between 1869-1881) will hopefully say who her parents are.
And who's the Helen KELLY 5mos in 1851? - would presume she's not actually Robert Glen's niece, but his wife's.
The age, but not the birthplace (as Glasgow) fits the Helen who was born 20 Nov 1850 Cardross to
Edward KELLY & Mary Ann GARVIN before their 1852 marriage.
But this is all pure speculation, and they could be an altogether different Kelly family.

ROBERT GLEN
ELIZABETH JANE KELLY
Marriage: 08 OCT 1850 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland

Some chn.
ROBERT GLEN - Born ~1851 Cardross [name from census below]
SUSANNAH GLEN - Birth: 18 FEB 1855 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & ELIZABETH JEAN KELLEY]
WALTER GLEN - Birth: 13 JUN 1857 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & JEAN KELLY]
ELIZABETH JEAN GLEN - Birth: 27 MAY 1859 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & ELIZABETH JEAN KELLY]
JAMES GLEN - Birth: 11 JAN 1861 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & ELIZA JANE KELLY]
HELEN GLEN - Birth: 01 APR 1863 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & ELIZA JANE KELLY]
CATHERINE GLEN - Birth: 05 JUL 1869 Row, Dunbarton, Scotland [pas: ROBERT GLEN & JANE KELLY]
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1851 cens 494 (390) Ed 2 p 9 (Cardross)
Davies House. (26).
Robert GLEN, head, marr, 50 [sic] grain miller, b Cardross, DNB
Jane GLEN, wife, marr, 19 [sic] --------------- b Co Down, Ireland
Robert GLEN, son, 4mos, -------------- b Cardross, DNB
Helen KELLY, niece, 5mos, ---------- b Glasgow, LKS
Mary Ann DUNCAN, servant, 16, servant, b Dumbarton, DNB
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1881 Census Place: Cardross, Dumbarton, Scotland
Dwelling: Station Rd
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 494 EnumDist 3 Page 22
Robert GLEN W 77 M Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retired Meal Miller [living alone]
[you'd have expected it the other way about - with Elizabeth Jane being a widow...]
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OPR 494 Vol 3 p 206 (Births - Cardross)
KELLY. "Helen, lawful daughter of Edward KELLY & Mary Ann GARVEN, was born at Burnfoot on the 20th March 1850"
KELLY. "Samuel, lawful son of Edward KELLY & Mary Ann GARVEN, was born at Burnfoot on the 8th September 1852"
KELLY. "Elizabeth, lawful daughter of Edward KELLY & Mary Ann GARVEN, was born at Burnfoot on the 26th September 1854"
[all these entries were made on the same day - ie 31 Dec 1855. The book ended on p208]
[from abt 1850-1855 the minister was gathering all missing names of children born in Cardross over the last 50yrs or so, yes 50]

OPR 494 Vol 3 p 75 (Marriages - Cardross)
KELLY & GARVEN. 20th March 1852.
"Edward KELLY & Mary Ann GARVEN, both in this Parish gave their names for
Proclamation of Banns in order to marry, and got an extract"
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This is the GARVEN family together in Cardross 1851 (none in 1841). Mary 22, looks like Mary Ann.

1851 cens 494 (390) Ed 3 pp 5-6 (Cardross)
Ardardan Cottages.
// William GARVEN, head, marr, 33, farm labourer, b Ireland
Susanna GARVEN, wife, marr, 35, -------------- b Ireland
Elizabeth GARVEN, daur, 9, scholar, b Ireland
Mary GARVEN, daur, 7, ------------ b Ireland
William GARVEN, son, 4, ---------- b Ireland
John GARVEN, son, 2, ------------- b Cardross, DNB
Martha GARVEN, daur, 4mos, ---- b Ireland
// John GARVEN, head, marr, 26, agricultural labourer, b Ireland
Agnes GARVEN, wife, marr, 20, ------------------ b Ireland
(not baptized) GARVEN, daur, under 1mo, ----------- b Cardross, DNB
// Daniel GARVEN, head, widower, 63, agricultural labourer, b Ireland
Mary GARVEN, daur, u/m 22, agricultural labourer, b Ireland
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Jack
ps, might be just coincidence on the names, but i wonder who this couple are?
Old Kilpatrick Parish is to the east of Cardross.
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EDWARD KELLY
ELLEN KELLY
Marriage: 15 JUL 1869 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland

CATHERINE KELLY - Birth: 08 JUN 1870 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, Scotland
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[Jack]

Hi Ken,
Very possibly you'll have seen this on the Dumbarton List, but in case not.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/DU ... 1157653700
Jack

[KenS]

Hello Jack,

No I had not seen this list. Was totally unaware of it.
Thanks for sending the link. The info will keep me busy
and out of trouble for some while.
You folks at TS are terriffic!!

Thanks so much for your continued interest.
Ken

[Jack]

Hi Ken,
There are quite a number of Rootsweb Lists, and like TalkingScot are free to subscribe to.
http://lists.rootsweb.com/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html
Jack