Where are my Cochranes?.....

AutumnsRose · Post by **AutumnsRose** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:38 pm

I am looking for any information on Charles and Christian Williams Cochrane's children.
All were born in Cupar, Fife except one, and I've only been able to find one birth date for their children.
They were:
Charles Cochrane b. July 24, 1831
Margaret Cochrane born about 1832
Jemima Cochrane born about 1833
Edward Cochrane born about 1844
Andrew Cochrane born about 1847 in West Wyness, Fife.

I do not know if there were more children.
I do have Margaret, Jemima, and Edward's death records, as well as Charles Sr.
I know Christian Williams Cochrane died on Oct. 13, 1868 in Cupar, fife, but I'm having a hard time reading what it says on her death record.

Any help and/or advice is most welcome!
Thank you!!

Kathie in MN U.S.A.

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:02 pm

Hi Kathie

In order to help you decipher the 1868 DC for Christian you could upload it to our Gallery and then we could all have a peek at it. If you click on the Gallery tab above and then select "upload file" from the menu at the top of the page you should be able to figure it out. You'll just need to locate the saved image in your computer and we'll do the rest.

If the ink is very faint then by all means you should submit a contact form to Scotlands People and ask for a photocopy to be sent to you. You'll be amazed at the difference it could make!

Best wishes
Jean

AutumnsRose · Post by **AutumnsRose** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:53 pm

Hi JustJean!
I put Christian Williams Cochrane's death record in the "Gallery" section under "AutumnsRose".
I hope I did it correctly!

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-310

Kathie

URL added - AndrewP

Post by **AndrewP** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:10 pm

Hi Cathie,

I read it as:

Christian Cochrane, married to Charles Cochrane
1868 October Thirteenth 6h 30min AM
Fife & Kinross Asylum, Parish of Cupar
F, 62 years
Alexander Williams, Sergeant of the Late(?) Fife Militia
Margaret Williams, M.S. Lonie
Not certified (scored out)
Charles Cochrane, Husband
1868 October 19th at Cupar
James Steele, Assistant Registrar
J Carr(?) Registrar

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:15 pm

Hi Rose

The death entry looks to me like:

Christian Cochrane, married to Charles Cochrane

1868 October 13th 6.30am
Fife & Kinross Asylum, Parish of Cupar

(parents) Alexander Williams sergeant of the late Fife Militia, Margaret Wiliams m.s. Lonie

cause of death has been entered as "not certified" but then crossed out, but in the left margin there is a note that there is an entry in the register of corrected entries, [looks like] vol 1 page 36

Charles Cochrane, husband was the death informant.

Will post link to picture of Fife Kinross Asylum here in a minute - need to go find it! OK, here it is:
Opened in 1866 as the Fife & Kinross District Asylum with accommodation for "200 pauper lunatics". Now known as Stratheden Hospital.
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-236

Best wishes
Lesley

AutumnsRose · Post by **AutumnsRose** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:05 am

Lesley and Andrew,
I really appreciate you looking at the death record and for the link!!!!
I'm going to have to order Christian Cochrane's death record to find out the cause of her death.
She was my 4g grandmother.

But why am I not finding any birth records for Christian and Charles' children?
It took me 3 years to finally find the correct Cochranes and now I'm at a dead end again.

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:39 am

AutumnsRose wrote:But why am I not finding any birth records for Christian and Charles' children?
It took me 3 years to finally find the correct Cochranes and now I'm at a dead end again.

A parent search on the online IGI produces ony Charles of 24-Sep-1831 that you already have. It looks most likely that the others were not entered in the OPRs.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:49 am

Hi Kathie
This may not be the case with your Cochranes but I was recently helping someone with their tree - their family came from Cupar too. There was no sign of his ancestor's pre-1855 birth on IGI or SP but we had his (post 1855) marriage from SP, and his death from SP so a good idea when he was born - it was the 1830s too. I suggested he have a look at the OPRs just to check, given that we had quite a small time window. This person had never looked at an OPR before but he reported back that his ancestor was there, clear as day, not difficult to read or anything! I have no idea why he wasn't turning up on IGI or SP OPR when many others of the family were there. I kinda suspect if you are missed out of an index once, its possible that other indices use previous indices as a guide, so if you are missed out on the first pass, you've kinda had it!

Anyway, long story, but I'd suggest you try to get hold of the OPR film for the relevant period for Cupar and check it, if you haven't already done this - you can order films through your local LDS centre. Don't want to get your hopes up but it seemed odd ...and it might just be more than one name which is missed out. (I'll keep my fingers crossed for you

)
Best wishes
Lesley

AutumnsRose · Post by **AutumnsRose** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:59 pm

Andrew and Lesley,
Thank you for giving me some direction and for looking for my Cochranes.
Was it possible for any of those Cochrane births to not have been recorded?
Charles Jr. was the only one at SP I was able to find.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:06 pm

Hi Kathie
As Andrew said, its quite possible the births were not recorded - this is not unusual as far as I know - it depends on all sorts of things like: who was recording the births and how diligent they were, (whether they thought they were being paid enough...) etc. and how fortunate the records have been since - they may have been kept beautifully, but if involved in fire or flood or any other disaster, like being used to wrap up goods in shops (I'm sure it was in Leith somewhere, oh, where the heck did I read this....!!??) they may not have survived. . . If it were any other OPR at any other period I would tend to believe that the births you are looking for, if not on SP, then probably are not recorded.

However, in this particular case, in light of my recent experience with Cupar OPR and a birth in the 1830s I just thought it would be worth your while checking. This would probably confirm if they were just not recorded or, if it is a case similar to the situation I mentioned above, you may be very fortunate and find they are there after all, just missed out of the index for some reason. But don't get your hopes up...

Best wishes
Lesley