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scotal
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find birth certificate .....

Post by scotal » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:43 pm

Hello there to everone.

I am new trying to tracing my family tree and I am hoping someone may be able to help me? This may be a fairly simple process but I can't seemed to get my head round it.

I have my grandfather's birth certificate. He was born on 7th April 1896. His name is was Peter Wardlaw. It only shows his mother on the certificate. His mothers's name was Janet Wardlaw and she lived at 71 South St, Armadale in the county of Linlithgow. My question is this: How can I now find his mother's (Janet Wardlaw) birth certificate?

Many thanks :(

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Post by AndrewP » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:48 pm

Hi Scotal,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

Your best chance is if you can find them on the 1901 census. That should give you an age and place of birth for her.

The other very useful document would be her death certificate. That should name her parents (assuming these names were known to the person registering her death).

Armed with her parents' names, hopefully you can find a birth certificate that matches up.

A search of the online IGI for the birth of a Janet Wardlaw (1865-1875 - as a decent starting point) returns the following seven results, including two in West Lothian, the Whitburn one being very close to Armadale.

JANET BUCHANAN WARDLAW - Birth: 17 DEC 1865 Carriden, West Lothian
JANET WARDLAW - Birth: 23 AUG 1866 Fossoway And Tulliebole, Kinross
JANET WARDLAW - Birth: 03 MAY 1868 Alloa, Clackmannan
JANET WARDLAW - Birth: 10 SEP 1868 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark
JANET SMITH WARDLAW - Birth: 18 SEP 1868 Leslie, Fife
JANET WARDLAW - Birth: 30 JAN 1872 Dunfermline, Fife
JANET WARDLAW - Birth: 28 JUN 1873 Whitburn, West Lothian


Bear in mind, that I have no evidence to say that she was born in Scotland within that year range. That is only a set of possibilities.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

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Thank You

Post by scotal » Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:16 pm

Hi Andrew,

Many thanks for your prompt reply and for the information you have provided me. It sounds like I have a good chance of working it out now by following your advice.

I would never have thought this out without your help.

Once Again,
Many thanks,

Alan, an exiled Scot in Manchester.

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Post by DavidWW » Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:18 pm

A Chirtmas Eve poser xmas:exclaim: xmas:cheesygrin:

The basic problem here is that Peter's birth was illegitimate (at 71 South Street in Armadale), and there's no father's name on the birth register entry.

So we don't know if his mother Janet was a wee lass of 15 or an old maid of 40 .......... !!

There's no obvious death register entry for Janet, the mother, but there is the 1912 death of an 18 year old Janet, mother only shown as Janet WARDLAW, housekeeper, - no father's name shown, - the same description as on Peter's 1896 birth register entry, and that of Janet in the 1894 birth register entry in Armadale at 40 South Street, Armadale, - so near certain a sister to Peter, but see later qualification.

There's no appropropriately aged Peter that I can see in the 1901 census, unless he's been adopted into a relative's family, - not necessarily of the WARDLAW surname, - far from uncommon in such situations.

While WARDLAW might appear to be a relatively uncommon surname, as is often the case in such situations, there can be several or even many families within a neighbourhood, complicated in this case by the various possible parishes spreading across the N/NW of West Lothian, the NE of the county of Lanark, and the SE of the county of Stirling ..................

There are only a few Janets of the right age in the 1891 census in W Lothian, all but one of whom are identifiable as members of other WARDLAW families, altho' that's not to say that "a daughter" in such households is a natural daughter, as opposed to an adopted daughter......

But there is a very attractive 1891 census entry where the Janet in question is shown as the granddaughter of the Head, a 62 year old Peter, and this 1891 census entry probably shows a son Robert, - the informant on the 1912 death register entry being Robert WARDLAW, Uncle ....... Murphy's Law cuts in here in that the 1891 image is quite faint, and Robert ain't that usual a given name in Scotland, - but there is a linked 1883 birth register entry for Robert connecting to this Peter and his wife in the 1891 census.

All speculation of course, and subject to my qualification above in terms of the complication of even unusual surnames not being that straightforward to research when there are several lines in the same small area.

In this case, by exhaustively researching the WARDLAW lines in the parishes of N/NW of West Lothian, the NE of the county of Lanark, and the SE of the county of Stirling , it might just be possible to approach a near certain conclusion in terms of Janet's parents ....................

David

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Janet Wardlaw

Post by scotal » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:19 pm

Hi David,

Many thanks for finding out all this information. It has blown my mind as to how you have managed so much in such a short time. It is also quite exciting and I feel I am now getting the hooked on trying to find the outcome.

There is something I should have mentioned earlier. I remember my father saying to me that his father, the Peter Wardlaw in question told him to go and visit a woman by the name of Brown in a village named Eastfield, near Harthill on route to his barracks in Edinburgh in 1940.

While he was there this old lady about 65 told him you are a Brown and your father is a brown. He said my "name is Wardlaw." and she said, "but you are really a Brown."

I am not sure if this complicates things even more or makes the search a bit easier. No doubt, in the fullness of time I shall find out?

Once again, many thanks for you help.

Regards,
Alan

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wardlaws

Post by laineywoo » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:13 pm

Hi David
Can I ask how you got on with the Wardlaw saga? I have lots of Wardlaws from West Lothian [mainly Bathgate and Armadale] Stirlingshire, Slamanan and Polmont etc, with connections to Harthill.
Peter, John and Robert are the main family names and still carried on today. My mother in law was a Wardlaw from Polmont....
I just may have something that could help.....by the way, the Janet Buchanan mentioned in an earlier reply, does relate to my lot!
Lainey
searching for Jacks, Williamsons, Maxwells, Wardlaws, Hardies, Bennies, Kays, Bruce, Sneddon, Dougall and Galloway all mainly Polmont and Muiravonside areas - basically all families from Polmont!!

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Post by DavidWW » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:14 am

Hi Lainey

It's not me that you need to contact, but scotal !

David

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Re: wardlaws

Post by Oldhug » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:23 am

laineywoo wrote:Hi David
Can I ask how you got on with the Wardlaw saga? I have lots of Wardlaws from West Lothian [mainly Bathgate and Armadale] Stirlingshire, Slamanan and Polmont etc, with connections to Harthill.
Peter, John and Robert are the main family names and still carried on today. My mother in law was a Wardlaw from Polmont....
I just may have something that could help.....by the way, the Janet Buchanan mentioned in an earlier reply, does relate to my lot!
Lainey
Your posting I to have ward laws in my tree from Bathgate fife Stirlingshire to at present I have Please can anyone help Iam very stick in trying to trace back in my family tree my wardlaw was anne wardlaw who married robert moodie

iam looking for any wives, husbands, children or siblings of the following any info or stories would be most welcome
i really would love to find out more about the moodie side of my family

i can only go far as Robert Moodie 1740 - 1795 Born: Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Died: Walls, Shetland, Scotland and his wife Anne Wardlaw 1740 - 10 Sep 1841 Born: Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Died: Scotland

there children
Henrietta Moodie 1758 -
Robert Moodie 1760 - 1862 (this being my line )
Mary Moodie 1763 -
Anne Moodie 1769 -
Isobell Moodie 1769 -
Seaching Moodie/Moody/Mudie Masone/Mason Wilkie Donald Hunter Wardlaw Scot/Scott Burt Weir Stevenson Cochran/Cochrane Stivenson Drylie Brown Ramage Sternhouse Meek Grant Donaldson Beveridge GIbb Simon Smiles\Smyle Downie Robb Philp Shand Moncur Reddie