Grace McCreadie.....

[wini]

I have another sticking point and wouild love some help.
Grace mcCreadie married Samuel Reid in Glasgow in 1869
On her M.C and her D.C parents are listed as John McCready and Jane/Janet Scott.
Her witness at the wedding was Fanny McCreadie.
Her M.C says she is 24. In the 1871 Census she is 32. Fom there on her Census returns show a ten year increment. On her Death Certificate she is listed as 83 in 1932.

This is definitely the same person as her son thomas signed the D.C
I haven't been able to find any reference to a Grace mcCreadie before her marriage except in the 1861 Census, where under mcCreddie there is a Grace with a sister Fanny I should have said all her Census returns say she was born in Coatbridge or Old Monkland, the same place.
This all seems fine except John Mc Creddie's wife is Margaret
Fannnies Mother is Margaret Ferguson and I would have assumed that John had married twice BUT Alexander who is older than Grace has Margaret Ferguson as his Mother.
Could she be a cousin brought up by the other family or was John a naughty boy.
I can't find a B.C for her anywhere.
Ther are also all spellings of McCredie, McCreadie, McCready and McCreddie
All ideas welcome.Thanks wini

[DavidWW]

Wini

Unless the 1851 census, due to be available shortly, helps, you may never know !

It's one of those situations where there are few absolutes. For instance, just because you've found a family in 1861 that matches in so many respects doesn't mean that it is the family you need, however unlikely it is that there's another family that is the correct one.

Similarly, I could live with the mother's name being completely wrong on the death reister entry, but I start to raise my eyebrows when that same name appears on the marriage register entry.

Further, if John was married twice then his son Alexander didn't know about it, - he's the informant on John's 1871 death register entry, - but, on the other hand, he hadn't the faintest idea about the names of his paternal grandparents.................

Soooooo............. let's see what info 1851 provides

Unless, unless, - a possible chink of light , - Margaret McCREADIE MS FERGUSON died in the Poorhouse in Motherwell in 1883, so if there's an extant inspector's report on her application for admission, that may throw some light on the situation.

David

[nelmit]

A Fanny McCredie married a John Ferguson in 1873.
On the 1881 census she is listed as being born in Coatbridge in 1856 but a search of the IGI gives no results.

Is their marriage entry where you saw Fanny's mother's name as Margaret Ferguson?

Annette M

[DavidWW]

There's no female M*cr*d* born to a John and Margaret in Lanarkshire (outside Glasgow) in 1855 or 1856....... or just with a father John for that matter...........

Fanny's reported age in 1861 is 6, so that it looks like she was born in 1854........

The parents on her marriage register entry are indeed John McCREDIE and Margaret McCREDIE MS FERGUSON.

David

PS Another chink of light??.......... IGI gives the birth of a Thomas McCREADIE to John McCREADIE and Margaret FERGUSON in Kilmarnock 24Oct1826, with the marriage in Kilmarnock 05May1826, but both are submissions, - the LDS member's name and address are on the form and may lead to source information. The dates fits with 1861 census ages, and Margaret is shown as born not too far from Kilmarnock in Tarbolton.

[nelmit]

There's no female M*cr*d* born to a John and Margaret in Lanarkshire (outside Glasgow) in 1855 or 1856....... or just with a father John for that matter...........

Fanny's reported age in 1861 is 6, so that it looks like she was born in 1854........

The parents on her marriage register entry are indeed John McCREDIE and Margaret McCREDIE MS FERGUSON.

David

PS Another chink of light??.......... IGI gives the birth of a Thomas McCREADIE to John McCREADIE and Margaret FERGUSON in Kilmarnock 24Oct1826, with the marriage in Kilmarnock 05May1826, but both are submissions, - the LDS member's name and address are on the form and may lead to source information. The dates fits with 1861 census ages, and Margaret is shown as born not too far from Kilmarnock in Tarbolton.

From the 1881 census

Dwelling: 69 New Row
Census Place: Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203617 GRO Ref Volume 625-2 EnumDist 16 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander MC CREDIE M 34 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Engine Fitter
Margaret MC CREDIE M 34 F Symington, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Margaret MC CREDIE U 15 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Janet MC CREDIE 8 F New Carnbroe, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Sarah MC CREDIE 4 F New Carnbroe, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Alexander MC CREDIE 10 m M New Carnbroe, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Margaret MC CREDIE W 73 F Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Mother

Annette M

[nelmit]

Wini

...........snipped
Soooooo............. let's see what info 1851 provides

Unless, unless, - a possible chink of light , - Margaret McCREADIE MS FERGUSON died in the Poorhouse in Motherwell in 1883, so if there's an extant inspector's report on her application for admission, that may throw some light on the situation.

David

My new book is christened already.

Annette M

[Jack]

Hi folks,
From an 1851 census index - mother as Margaret, sorry no more details. [now added]
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1851 cens 652 (636) Ed 16 p 37 (Old Monkland)
Main Street, New Dundyvan.
John McCREDDIE, head, marr, 47, joiner, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McCREDDIE, wife, marr, 44,---- b Tarbolton, AYR
Sarah McCREDDIE, daur, 14, --------------b Kilmarnock, AYR
Alexander McCREDDIE, son, 8,----------- b Old Monkland, LKS
Janet McCREDDIE, daur, 6, ---------------b Old Monkland, LKS
Grace McCREDDIE, daur, 2, --------------b Old Monkland, LKS
--
Jack

[DavidWW]

Hi folks,
From an 1851 census index - mother as Margaret, sorry no more details.
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1851 cens 652 Ed 16 p 37 (Old Monkland)
John McREDDIE 47, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret 44, b Tarbolton, AYR
Sarah 14, b Kilmarnock, AYR
Alexander 8, b Old Monkland, LKS
Janet 6, b Old Monkland, LKS
Grace 2, b Old Monkland, LKS
--
Jack

Thanks, Jack, - little doubt that this is the correct family ...... sooooooo...... either "Grace" was an extended family informal adoption at a very young age, albeit that it's most unlikely to have been a brother given the same name of the father, but could well have been a cousin, or John wis a naughty boy , but had a very understanding wife, who took wee Grace into the family..............

I just can't believe that the mother's name was completely wrong, but the same, on both the death and marriage register entries.

Can anyone recall if the Motherwell Poorhouse inspectors' reports are extant?

David

[Jack]

Hi Davie,
Did you no mention somewhere on TS how name mistakes can find their way onto MCs?
From what the minister wrote down, and to what the registrar wrote down?

I've a few MCs with the wrong mother (some had a granny's name), and a few of these mistakes were perpetuated on their DCs.
The informant, especially if not too sure, just copying the parents from the deceased's MC?

Jack

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie,
Did you no mention somewhere on TS how name mistakes can find their way onto MCs?
From what the minister wrote down, and to what the registrar wrote down?

I've a few MCs with the wrong mother (some had a granny's name), and a few of these mistakes were perpetuated on their DCs.
The informant, especially if not too sure, just copying the parents from the deceased's MC?

Jack

Aye, Ah did, but what we have here is exactly the same info via the minister and the marriage schedule to the registrar and the transcription into the marriage register, AND the info provided for her death register entry by her son.

OK, granted not impossible that both register entries contain wrong info, but what's the chances that that info is identical

David