Gebbie Family-How can I tell.....

wini · Post by **wini** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:57 am

William Wilson Gebbie
Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isobell Smith

According to OPR

15/07/1798 William Wilson Gebbie -.Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isobell Smith
Fr876 Child 2 KILMARNOCK Gros data 597/00 0003

2/11/1800 William Wilson Gebbie- Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isable Smith Fr54 PAISLEY BURGH or Low GROS data 573/03 0004

27/11/1796 Marion Gebbie Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isabel Smith Fr856 Child 1 KILMARNOCK GROS data 597/00 0003

21/11/1802 Marrion Gebbie Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isable Smith FR 60
PAISLEY BURGH or Low GROS Data 573/03 0004

How do I know which William I am looking for and doesn''t this seem an awful coincidence?

wini

JimM · Post by **JimM** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:08 am

Hi Wini
The Kilmarnock edition (well.. it was burns night yesterday)

is a submission and therefore not to be taken as fact.
The Paisley one is an extract from the records... go with this one

Jim

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:18 pm

Hi Wini

15/07/1798 William Wilson Gebbie -.Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isobell Smith
Fr876 Child 2 KILMARNOCK Gros data 597/00 0003

2/11/1800 William Wilson Gebbie- Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isable Smith Fr54 PAISLEY BURGH or Low GROS data 573/03 0004

27/11/1796 Marion Gebbie Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isabel Smith Fr856 Child 1 KILMARNOCK GROS data 597/00 0003

21/11/1802 Marrion Gebbie Parents Thomas Gebbie/Isable Smith FR 60
PAISLEY BURGH or Low GROS Data 573/03 0004

As these would all appear to be from GROS, not IGI, without further investigation I can only suggest at this point that :

1.They may have had a William in 1796 who subsequently died and following male child born in 1800 was then named William and the same deal with the Marions. IF this is the case then the 2nd William would be your man. (later edit: but bear in mind some families did have two living kids with the same name, though I think its rare-ish...)
or
2. I wonder if for some reason due to maybe one parent belonging to one Parish and the other to another, or a move from one place to another that the children were christened in more than one Parish?

Generally speaking, as far as I'm aware, the OPR info deals with christenings, not births per se. If it were me, I'd be wanting to see the OPR films to see if that gave any more info - I think further investigation would be

needed!!

Sorry I can't offer a more "clear cut" suggestion!
Best wishes
Lesley

Carole · Post by **Carole** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:01 pm

To follow on from what Lesley has said, it might be worth looking at the 1795 (31 December, so probably recorded in 1796) marriage in Kilmarnock of Thomas Gebbie and Isabella Smith. This might tell you if they were both from the same Parish.

Carole

Post by **joette** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:16 pm

I wouldn't agree about parents giving two children the same first name as "rarish" unless my family is the exception to the rule I can think of at least ten examples just of the top of my head & have no doubt that there are more.
If you are refering to two surviving children having the same name then I agree that is" rarish".

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:33 pm

If you are refering to two surviving children having the same name then I agree that is" rarish".

Yes, surviving children is what I meant.

Have edited above to make it clear!

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:22 pm

lbathgate wrote:.....snipped .........(later edit: but bear in mind some families did have two living kids with the same name, though I think its rare-ish

....more snipped.........

Lesley

Unusual, yes, but not "rare-ish"

It all depends on just how strictly the family stuck to the conventional naming pattern, and if, say, both parents and the father had the same name, then, potentially, there could be even be 3 sons of the same name (or daughters on that side !!).

So how was this handled?

Easy? ................

If the name was "Alexander", then there was an Alex, a Sandy, and an Ally, always assuming that there weren't middle names that came into play

I can quote you an Ulster family with four sons by the name of William, with three known by their middle name, but then that's a special situation as it wasn't a naming pattern that was involved

David

wini · Post by **wini** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:23 am

All I can say

Is Dearie, Dearie me

I have driven 800 Kms today so I will have a think and get back to you
Thanks for your advice.

I"ll be in trouble disrupting this thread but after I wrote the above.
I thought about a poem I learned when a fairly small wane

Ye've hurt ye're finger puir wee man
Ye're pinky, Dearie me,
now jist you haud yer finger
till I get my specs and see

Anyone any ideas of the rest of it?

wini

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:27 am

I know this one well

number one son had to recite it for the School's Burns Afternoon 2 years ago!

Ye’ve hurt your finger?
Puir wee man!
Yer pinkie? Dearie me!
No, juist ye haud it that wey ‘till
I get my specs and see!

My, so it is – and there’s the skelf!
Noo, dinna greet nae mair.
See there – my needle’s gotten’t oot!
I’m shair that wasna sair?

And, noo, to mak it hale the morn,
Put on a wee bit saw,
And tie a bonnie hankie roun’t,
Noo, there now – rin awa’!

Yer finger sair ana a’? Ye rogue,
Ye’re only lettin’ on.
Weel, weel, then, - see now, there ye are,
Rowed up the same as John!

wini · Post by **wini** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:51 am

Wonka 2

Thanks for that.Is it really Burns??
Nice poem anyway

wini