Yet another brick wall to be demolished.....

[Clydesdale]

I wonder if anyone can help please, or advise. I have spent many days looking on SP and the IGI for two members of my Yule line – and it seems they don’t exist!

Thomas Yule (2G-Grandfather) and Margaret Duncan were married on 2 January 1848. I have found the following children on the census for 1871.

Thomas (age 22 in the census)
Alexander (age 19 in the census)
I know that 2 further boys died as infants (from William’s birth certificate).
William Yule – I have his details
Andrew Yule (my G-Grandfather) I have all his details
Margaret Yule – I have her details; and
Ann Yule – I have her details except her death.

My problem is that I am unable to find a birth, marriage or death for Thomas and Alexander. I have accessed lots of records, but they are not the same parents.

All the above are entered on the website I have just put up called www.itsourlife.co.uk on the family page for Yule. Please take a look if it would help see the rest of the line. (Yule is the only line I have managed to get on there so far - rest in progress.)

Can anyone advise please?

[AndrewP]

Hi Clydesdale,

Does William's 1855 birth certificate come up with more information about his parents' origins? Often their birthplaces are named on 1855 certificates.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[Clydesdale]

Hello Andrew – many thanks for coming back to me on this.

This is all the information from the birth certificate for William Yule.

Yule, William (Present) - Male
1855 November 11th 11h p.m. - Roneheads
Thomas Yule – Mariner – 31 Years – Peterhead
1848 Peterhead – 2 Boys living 2 Boys dead
Margaret Yule – Maiden name Duncan – 26 years Peterhead
Her 5th child.
Signed by Thomas Yule as father
Date of Registration 1855 November 14th at Peterhead – and then the Registrar’s signature.

Is that of any help?

Cheers
Clydesdale

[nelmit]

I wonder if anyone can help please, or advise. I have spent many days looking on SP and the IGI for two members of my Yule line – and it seems they don’t exist!

Thomas Yule (2G-Grandfather) and Margaret Duncan were married on 2 January 1848. I have found the following children on the census for 1871.

Thomas (age 22 in the census)
Alexander (age 19 in the census)
I know that 2 further boys died as infants (from William’s birth certificate).
William Yule – I have his details
Andrew Yule (my G-Grandfather) I have all his details
Margaret Yule – I have her details; and
Ann Yule – I have her details except her death.

My problem is that I am unable to find a birth, marriage or death for Thomas and Alexander. I have accessed lots of records, but they are not the same parents.

All the above are entered on the website I have just put up called www.itsourlife.co.uk on the family page for Yule. Please take a look if it would help see the rest of the line. (Yule is the only line I have managed to get on there so far - rest in progress.)

Can anyone advise please?

Hello,

Have you looked at the marriage of Alexander Yule and Jane in 1876? They have two sons - John B Yule age 3 and Alexander age 1 in the 1881.
He is living in the same street in 1881 as the Yule and Duncan families were living in 1841 - Ronheads.
There is also Thomas D Yule a few houses along the same road who is living with Mary Yule but I haven't found a marriage for them yet.

They both match the age details you give for the 1871.

Just along the road again appear to be their parents and siblings.
Thomas 56
Margaret 58
Ann 19
James 12

Perhaps this is the info you've discounted but it all seems to fit.


Dwelling: 62 Ronheads
Census Place: Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203464 GRO Ref Volume 232-1 EnumDist 5 Page 42
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander YULE M 30 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Fisherman
Jane YULE M 30 F Lonmay, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John B. YULE 3 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Alexander YULE 1 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Mary CORDINER M 40 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
James CORDINER U 20 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Carpenter
William CORDINER U 17 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Carpenter

Dwelling: 59 Ronheads
Census Place: Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203464 GRO Ref Volume 232-1 EnumDist 5 Page 41
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas D. YULE M 32 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Fisherman
Mary YULE M 35 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife

Dwelling: 68 Ronheads
Census Place: Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203464 GRO Ref Volume 232-1 EnumDist 5 Page 47
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas YULE M 56 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Fisherman
Margaret YULE M 58 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Ann YULE 19 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
James YULE 12 M Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
Regards,
Annette M

[Clydesdale]

Hello Annette - many thanks for that.

62 Roanheads
I too thought this was the right Alexander and I found him in Tobermory in a later census with a lot more children. When I downloaded the marriage certificate I found that his father was called Alexander too, which doesn't fit. I am quite sure they are related too, but I need to establish that link by finding as much as possible about siblings.

59 Roanheads
This could well be the Thomas I am looking for! Thank you so much. Now why did it not come up for me on SP I wonder? I wonder who Mary is? Can now go back onto SP and have a good search again.

68 Roanheads
Yes indeed – this is from my line – this is Thomas Yule, the father, and shows that Alexander and Thomas have already left the family.

One thing about the Yules, when they came to naming their children they were very boring. I have so many called Andrew, William and Thomas I have had to put together a spread sheet so all the information is one place and I can do easier comparisons.

The last Andrew Yule on my side is now living in Ontario (my cousin). Unfortunately he didn't carry on the name through his own children. I believe my Grandfather's brothers also named their sons Andrew - so it lives on and all I have to do is find them!

Can you tell me Annette how you managed to access the Roanheads? Do you have a CD for the census – is it something that can be bought?

Cheers!
Clydesdale

[nelmit]

Hello Annette - many thanks for that.

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Can you tell me Annette how you managed to access the Roanheads? Do you have a CD for the census – is it something that can be bought?

Cheers!
Clydesdale

Hello Clydesdale,

You can buy the 1881 British census discs at a cost of around £30 from:

LDS Church Distribution Centre
399 Garretts Green Lane
Birmingham B33 0UH

Tel: 0121 785 2200

Direct Line for Family History CD orders
by debit/credit card: 0870 010 20 51

Hope this isn't advertising?

If you have a lot of Scottish ancestors then it is definitely worth it.
I had spent a lot of money on SP before I discovered their existance.

Have you searched the freecen site for the Duncans and Yules? They are living a few houses away from each other in 1841.

http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Happy hunting and glad to have helped,
Annette M

[rdem]

59 Roanheads

This could well be the Thomas I am looking for! Thank you so much. Now why did it not come up for me on SP I wonder? I wonder who Mary is? Can now go back onto SP and have a good search again.

Could Thomas have remarried?

[Clydesdale]

hello Annette

I have the Duncans on a snippet of the 1841 census I found on a forum which shows Margaret with her parents and siblings.

I also have the details of 20 Roanheads for 1861 and 1871 for Thomas Yule and family, but when I search for them on rootsweb (either of the Thomas's) it tells me no records can be found - but I have the details to show they were there!

So the way to go is to get a CD and I am so grateful for the info. Thank you so much. I will give them a call tomorrow, and armed with that maybe I can help someone in the future who is just as stuck as I am now. I was beginning to get an attack of the Family Tree Blues, but this has picked me up again!

Thank goodness this branch of the Yules did not stray too far from Peterhead - they should be easy to spot LOL.

Many thanks again
Cheers
Clydesdale.

[nelmit]

hello Annette

I have the Duncans on a snippet of the 1841 census I found on a forum which shows Margaret with her parents and siblings.

I also have the details of 20 Roanheads for 1861 and 1871 for Thomas Yule and family, but when I search for them on rootsweb (either of the Thomas's) it tells me no records can be found - but I have the details to show they were there!

So the way to go is to get a CD and I am so grateful for the info. Thank you so much. I will give them a call tomorrow, and armed with that maybe I can help someone in the future who is just as stuck as I am now. I was beginning to get an attack of the Family Tree Blues, but this has picked me up again!

Thank goodness this branch of the Yules did not stray too far from Peterhead - they should be easy to spot LOL.

Many thanks again
Cheers
Clydesdale.

Hello Clydesdale,

Freecen do not have the 1861 and 1871 census records for Peterhead but SP does. www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Here are the Yules in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/232 Place: Peterhead-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Peterhead-Parl.Burg Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 18
Address: Roanheads

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
YULE William M 45 Merchant Seaman Aberdeenshire
YULE Anne F 45 Aberdeenshire
YULE Thomas M 15 Aberdeenshire
YULE William M 13 Aberdeenshire
YULE Anne F 10 Aberdeenshire
YULE Robert M 8 Aberdeenshire
YULE James M 5 Aberdeenshire
DONN Katherine F 20 Aberdeenshire
ROBERTSON Elizabeth F 50 Aberdeenshire
BRUCE Charlot F 5 Aberdeenshire

Please note the CD's only give the 1881 census details.


Regards,
Annette M

[Clydesdale]

Hi there rdem,

The thought of him remarrying had gone through my mind at one point - but I can't even find one instance of him marrying. I even thought that as he was a fisherman, he would be away from home when the census had been taken - but each census shows that he is there. They must have been done on a Sunday, as no-one went out to fish then - such was the influence of the Free Church.

Annette has kindly come up with a wife's name so I thought I would try and find them under Mary Yule. But when I entered that, I still had no matches. It is all a real mystery but I shall persevere even if I have to trawl through the whole census for Peterhead!

Many thanks
Clydesdale