Alexander Davidson Glasgow and Newcastle-on-Tyne?.....

tishgibbons · Post by **tishgibbons** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:15 pm

Hi Folks,

Some of you might remember my puzzling over a grave in Crathie which contained a Canadian soldier who died in France (don't ask if you don't!) - anyway, this led me to discover another ancestor called Joan Fisher LEYS whom I hadn't realised existed. I lost track of her again until I found a census where she is referred to as Johanna - using that name I found she married in 1885 in Aberdeen, one Alexander DAVIDSON a police constable u r given as Newcastle-on-Tyne on the marriage certificate. His parents are Alexander Davidson and Eliza Kinghorn. No sign of her again until her death in 1912 in Govan, Lanark, where she is the widow of Alexander Davidson, Spirit Merchant. Her son is the informant, one Alfred G Davidson and the address is again Newcastle-on-Tyne, 159 Bolingbroke St, Heaton.

I'm not sure where to go with this. I haven't found births of any children, not even Alfred - Is Alexander likely to have been English and could she have lived in Newcastle-on-Tyne and maybe just returned to Scotland after he died? Would someone from Newcastle-on-Tyne be likely to work as a policeman in Aberdeen in 1885? I don't suppose these questions have obvious answers but maybe someone out there would have an idea where to look.

Tish

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:52 pm

tishgibbons wrote:Hi Folks,

Some of you might remember my puzzling over a grave in Crathie which contained a Canadian soldier who died in France (don't ask if you don't!) - anyway, this led me to discover another ancestor called Joan Fisher LEYS whom I hadn't realised existed. I lost track of her again until I found a census where she is referred to as Johanna - using that name I found she married in 1885 in Aberdeen, one Alexander DAVIDSON a police constable u r given as Newcastle-on-Tyne on the marriage certificate. His parents are Alexander Davidson and Eliza Kinghorn. No sign of her again until her death in 1912 in Govan, Lanark, where she is the widow of Alexander Davidson, Spirit Merchant. Her son is the informant, one Alfred G Davidson and the address is again Newcastle-on-Tyne, 159 Bolingbroke St, Heaton.

I'm not sure where to go with this. I haven't found births of any children, not even Alfred - Is Alexander likely to have been English and could she have lived in Newcastle-on-Tyne and maybe just returned to Scotland after he died? Would someone from Newcastle-on-Tyne be likely to work as a policeman in Aberdeen in 1885? I don't suppose these questions have obvious answers but maybe someone out there would have an idea where to look.

Tish

Here is Johanna in 1881 with her neighbours.

I wonder if old Alexander died and young Alexander came up from Newcastle and met Johanna?

Dwelling: Greystone
Census Place: Glenmuick Tullich & Glengairn, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203457 GRO Ref Volume 201 EnumDist 1 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George LEYS M 52 M Logie Coldstone, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer
Margaret LEYS M 57 F Crathie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmers Wife
William LEYS U 20 M Crathie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Johanna LEYS U 16 F Crathie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmers Daur
Francis GIBB 15 M Aboyne, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Shepherd

Dwelling: Torgalter
Census Place: Glenmuick Tullich & Glengairn, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203457 GRO Ref Volume 201 EnumDist 1 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander DAVIDSON W 84 M Glenmuick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer
James DAVIDSON U 53 M Glenmuick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Ann MC DOUGALL U 26 F Glenmuick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Grand Daur
Occ: Housekeeper

Annette M

pinkshoes · Post by **pinkshoes** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:58 pm

Hi Tish

This looks like them on 1901 census in South Sheilds, Jarrow

Alexander Davidson Head 41 Inn Manager (pencilled across

UB) Worker born Scotland
Johanna wife 36 born Scotland
Alfred G son 14 born Northumberland, Newcastle
Joseph Foster boarder age 19 Barman born Durham Shields
Lizzie A Dodds Servant 17 Gen Serv Domestic born Durham Bishop Aukland

If you think it's them let me know and I'll send you the census sheet

Best Wishes
Pinkshoes

Post by **Merlot** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:01 pm

Tish,

If Alexander's usual residence was Newcastle I'd think he worked there as a policeman not in Aberdeen. They might have got married in Aberdeen and moved back to Newcastle. I'd try to find them on the 1891 census in Newcastle.

Merlot

pinkshoes · Post by **pinkshoes** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:06 pm

Tish

In 1891 they are in Heaton, Newcastle
Wilfred Street (Cornerstone Club(

Alexander Davidson Head age 30 Caretaker born Scotland
Johanna wife age 24 Scotland
Alfred G son age 4 Born Newcastle upon Tyne

Any good?

Pinkshoes

pinkshoes · Post by **pinkshoes** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:09 pm

Could this be Alfred's birth?

Name: Alfred George Davidson
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 158 (click to see others on page)

Can't access any more info I'm afraid (English system just isn't up to scratch!!)

Pinkshoes

tishgibbons · Post by **tishgibbons** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:11 pm

Bless You All!!!

Annette, this sounds daft but I never thought of him as being from 'home' if you know what I mean, though the Newcastle ties must also have been strong if Alfred is back there again by 1912.

Pinkshoes, you're an angel - yes that's definitely the right family. Looks like only the one child, Alfred G and no wonder I couldn't find his birth in Scotland.

Where's Jarrow by the way?

Ye've made Paddy's Weekend for me!

Tish

Alcluith · Post by **Alcluith** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:11 pm

Hi Trish

Nelmit has already given you the 1881 census for Johanna and her nieghbours but how about his for Alexander.

Assume he came back to Scotland to marry his sweetheart and they returned to Newcastle.

Institution: "Police Office" Pilgrim Street
Census Place: Newcastle On Tyne St Andrew, Northumberland, England
Source: FHL Film 1342220 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5059 Folio 77 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James TILLEY U 33 M Launceston, Cornwall, England
Occ: Police Sergeant
William PATTINSON U 26 M Scotland
Occ: Police Constable
William ROBSON U 29 M Hilton, Durham, England
Occ: Police Constable
Thomas BELL U 24 M Norham, Northumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
Robert GREAVES U 46 M Temple Sowerby, Cumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
Mark MEADS U 23 M Risbrough ?, Oxford, England
Occ: Police Constable
William MC DONALD U 26 M Alnwick, Northumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
William ARMSTRONG U 26 M Alston, Cumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
James GERRY U 31 M Scotland
Occ: Police Constable
William Bell HENDERSON U 23 M St Peters, Northumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
James Philip JOHNS U 24 M Black Lomington ?, Devon, England
Occ: Police Constable
James ROBERTSON U 23 M Scotland
Occ: Police Constable
James BOYD U 26 M Scotland
Occ: Police Constable
William HARSE U 21 M Cleware, Somerset, England
Occ: Police Constable
Alexander DAVISON U 24 M Scotland
Occ: Police Constable
John William LEWSE U 25 M Morpeth, Northumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
John BINNIE U 25 M Fenton, Northumberland, England
Occ: Police Constable
Patrick MC CAM U 25 M Ireland
Occ: Police Constable
Richard TAYLOR U 31 M Minster, Somerset, England
Occ: Police Constable

tishgibbons · Post by **tishgibbons** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:13 pm

Looks good to me Pinkshoes,

George was Johanna's father's name and the year looks about right for a boy who was 14 in 1901 census. I'm not good at searching the English records so I'm really grateful to you for your help.

Tish

pinkshoes · Post by **pinkshoes** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:16 pm

Here's Jarrow info :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarrow

Quite an important place

- look for Jarrow marches stuff on google

I've not found Alfred's death - I suppose he would have died in Scotland if they went back there after father's death.

If you want to pm me your email address, copies of the stuff I've found will wing their way to you (she said confidently

)

Pinkshoes

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