Docherty family Glasgow.....

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:44 am

Hi all,

I am having some trouble tracing the Docherty family in Glasgow. My first found Docherty is Sarah, b. about 1844, Glasgow who married James O'Brien in Glasgow in 1865. Her parents were listed on the marriage registration as James Docherty and Margaret Watson. I have Sarah and her husband and family pretty well covered.

James Docherty b. 1820 and Margaret Watson b. about 1823 had four other children; James b. 1847 who cohabitated with Isabella Wallace up to the 1901 census but didn't seem to marry her, Jane, who I have well traced, and the last two were John b. 1853 and William b. 1855, (have birth registration) both of whom I have not been able to find (John is on 1881 as a carter and William on 1871 as a message boy.)

And THEN, there are the parents of James Docherty b. 1820, James Docherty and Sarah ? (could be Boag...she is with son James on 1851 census as Sarah Bogan, widow, and the closest match I can find in a death certificate for 1871 gives her maiden name as Boag).

I think I found James Docherty (Labourer) and Sarah Boag on the 1841 with three sons, William b. 1821 (Boiler maker's Apprentice), James (Labourer) (I have traced him) and John b. 1824 (Labourer). If I have, James Senior and Sarah were both born about 1791 in Ireland.

I started with William and very quickly used up a large sum of credits searching for his censuses, marriage and death, but to no avail. I looked for John, and of course 2 pages of possibilites came up. This is the same kind of thing I have encountered with the more recently born Docherty sons.

How do I find these Docherty sons? Any help appreciated!

Nina

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:30 pm

Wow, 57 people have read this post so far and no-one has been able to help so far. Told ya it was a hard one!

Nina

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:44 pm

ninatoo

There were a number of posts about a Boag family, not all that long ago. If you go to "Search" and put in Boag, they'll all turn up.

All the best for your research.

Catriona

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:51 pm

Hi Nina

What spelling of Docherty/Doherty/Dougherty/Dohertie/Doughertie are you trying?
Let Jean the Genius of inventive wildcard sequences cast her eye over it and try to spot the gaps.

I couldn't leave you without a response could I?

Russell

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:59 pm

Thanks Catriona for the search tip. Unfortunately I can't connect with Boags yet. She is the only one I have and was born in Ireland.

Russell, thanks for the reply. I used D*ty. Can't get any more 'wild' than that!

Nina

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:14 pm

Hey Nina

I adopted Rodin's 'The Thinker' pose and it didn't help in the slightest I'm still stumped.

Have you considered dumping them and starting an 'Adopt an Ancestor' scheme then you could pick and choose who to look for??

This one needs a full Brains Trust so it might have to lie until Sunday night when we have most folk tuned in.

Russell

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:19 pm

Thanks Russell,

Yes my back is aching from that pose! It will take a bigger think tank than I can do on my own to sort this one!

"Adopt an ancestor"

I think I will choose some royalty then with a firmly established easy to research line!

Seriously, cracking this lot will give me immense joy....I love the particularly puzzling ones in a way. There is more satisfaction in actually unravelling a difficult line than being handed it on a plate. But I would like just a little bit more on that 'plate' to get me off and running!

Nina

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:33 pm

Hi Nina

To continue your analogy. What you need is a large fork to pin it down on a plate and a very sharp knife to cut the Gordian knot.

That elusive extra clue might creep up on you and take you by surprise

Its the fun of getting there that's addictive. Pitting your wits against a problem. Solving it does wonders for the Ego, at least it does mine!
There should be a Smiley with a feather in his/her cap and another with full Indian headdress for the best success stories!

(On second thoughts no! Jean would win that one every time)
Russell

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:36 pm

Oh yes, Jean is amazing...she has solved many a problem for me and so many others here...

Going to sharpen my carving knives now.....

Nina

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:43 pm

Hello folks

Did I hear my name being taken in vain ?

You make the mistake of attributing far too much skill and far too little luck to my search techniques!!

In this case Nina you've done everything right so far. The only way through is to slog on and keep swiping the credit card

! Since they seemed to stay in Glasgow this is both a help and a hindrance. Doubtful you'll need to widen your search but also possible you could buy every record that comes within reason and still not find them

In order to conserve the plastic you might consider ordering the census films in and trawling for possible family groupings in say 1851 or 1861 and then when finding William or John's born in Glasgow with similar occupations to 1841, noting down if they are married and have children and then going back to SP to search for them that way. You've already followed the easy route of the son that looked after his mum. Perhaps the other two didn't stay in Scotland and that is why Sarah was living with her middle child? Same for the next generation John and William. I thought WIlliam might be easier as there are only 3 or so that would fit his statistics found on the 1881 census disk and you know he's not with John and Mama etc....but even those choices don't look promising

When all else fails (and you've eliminated the possibility that he died between 1871 and 1881) then you really have to consider emigration.

It really will be a process of eliminating rather than hitting the bullseye........and yes I know that if SP allowed searches based on place of birth or occupation you might not even be making this post

Sorry for the unencouraging news
Jean