Allan Irvine-Mary Love.....

[mugoo]

Allan Irvine & Mary Love m.1830.I have them in the 1841 census with children,David-10,Andrew-6 and Janet-4.Allan is gone by 1845 and Mary has m.John Jardine in 1845.Mary(Love or Jardine) shows up in the 1851 census as a widow with Andrew and Janet Irvine and Margaret and Thomas Jardine.I,m unable to find DC,s for Allan,Mary or John.Any help welcome. TIA, Mugoo

[LesleyB]

Hi Mugoo
Where were the family in the 1841 & 51?

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

Hi Mugoo
If, as it looks like, Allan Irvine died before 1855, there will be no death entry on SP for him because he died before statutory registration was introduced.
What is Mary's given age in 1851? Again, if John had died before 1855 there will be no death entry.
Could Mary have remarried (again ) between 1851-55?
Have you tried looking for any of the family in 1861? Any sign?

Best wishes
Lesley

[mugoo]

Hi Mugoo
Where were the family in the 1841 & 51?

Best wishes
Lesley

Hi LesleyB,The family was in Old Monkland in 1841 and in Bothwell in 1851(Holy town -Cambrae Ironworks) Allan and Mary show age 30 in 1841.Mary shows 42 in 1851.I have no record of Mary after 1851. Regards Mugoo

[JustJean]

Hi Mugoo

I've been staying quiet on this one mostly because I can't add a thing to help break the wall. If they are in Scotland in 1861 or 1871 it will take a lot of aummunition to bring them out of hiding. I'm wondering if either they left the country or Mary died before 1855 and the kids were taken in and maybe are enumerated under different surnames???? Because you're working on this line I have to assume you do have some connection back to it. Just which one of the kids are you descended from and where did they live???? I even considered that Mary might have married for a third time before 1861 and Thomas and Margaret might be listed under a new surname. But so far everything I've tried has failed......

Sorry....
Jean

[nelmit]

Allan Irvine & Mary Love m.1830.I have them in the 1841 census with children,David-10,Andrew-6 and Janet-4.Allan is gone by 1845 and Mary has m.John Jardine in 1845.Mary(Love or Jardine) shows up in the 1851 census as a widow with Andrew and Janet Irvine and Margaret and Thomas Jardine.I,m unable to find DC,s for Allan,Mary or John.Any help welcome. TIA, Mugoo

Hello Mugoo,

Andrew Irvine was living in Stevenson, Ayr in 1861 with his wife Janet Fraser. There is also a Janet Irvine of the correct age in Stevenson so I think she may be worth a look to see who she is living with.
Andrew married in 1856 in Stevenson and according to the marriage entry his mother Mary was still alive. Here he is in 1881 -

Dwelling: Schoolwell St Kirk Rd
Census Place: Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203609 GRO Ref Volume 615 EnumDist 2 Page 34
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Andrew IRVINE M 41 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Susan IRVINE M 35 F Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Miners Wife
Allan IRVINE U 22 M Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
William IRVINE 14 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner
Jane IRVINE 12 F Holytown, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary BRANNAN 14 F Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Step Daur
Occ: House Maid
William BRANNAN 11 M Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Stepson
Occ: Scholar
John BRANNAN 7 M Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Stepson
Occ: Scholar
Roseann BRANNAN 4 F Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Step Daur
Grace IRVINE 1 F Stevenston, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Kind regards,
Annette M

[nelmit]

Hi again,

Margaret Jardine married Walter Coventry in Bathgate in 1864.

It would be worth checking her marriage entry to see if her mother was still alive.

Here is her family -
You searched for: Father: Walter Coventry, Mother: Margaret Jardine

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6

1. MARY LOVE COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 NOV 1866 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland

2. JEANNIE IRVINE COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 MAR 1874 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

3. JANET COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 NOV 1864 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

4. JOHN JORDON COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 FEB 1869 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

5. ANNIE COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 MAY 1871 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

6. THOMAS COVENTRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 MAR 1873 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

Regards,
Annette M

[JustJean]

Margaret Jardine married Walter Coventry in Bathgate in 1864.

It would be worth checking her marriage entry to see if her mother was still alive.

Mary Irvine MS Love was not deceased in 1864.

(Nice job nelmit! =D> )

Best wishes
Jean

[nelmit]

Margaret Jardine married Walter Coventry in Bathgate in 1864.

It would be worth checking her marriage entry to see if her mother was still alive.

Mary Irvine MS Love was not deceased in 1864.


Best wishes
Jean

OK then - I think this is her in 1881 as the names and places are just too coincidental to ignore.
A check of the IGI gives a marriage of Thomas Wallace and MAry Love in 1851.

Dwelling: Northrigg Hut
Census Place: Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203704 GRO Ref Volume 655-2 EnumDist 4 Page 15
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas WALLACE M 80 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Retired Miner Unfit For Work
Mary WALLACE M 70 F Wilsontown, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Margaret COVENTRY (WALLACE) M 34 F Carnbroe, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Step Daur
William COVENTRY 1 M Bathville, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
If so then Mary died in 1886 in Linlithgow - The death was registered by her son in law Walter Coventry.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[JustJean]

Hmmmm......I had tried to make this be a marriage for Mary but I still couldn't find them in 1861....

26/10/1851 LOVE MARY THOMAS WALLACE/FR1017 F BOTHWELL 625/00 0004

so maybe it really was her and maybe they are still hiding???...or were in Ireland???....or??????????? k

Best wishes
Jean