need help finding death.....

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:50 pm

I am trying to find the death of Joseph Stewart between 1869 and 1871 and even with such a short time span it is proving very difficult so I think I am doing something wrong here.

Joseph Stewart (27),pottery labourer, marries Margaret Campbell (22) pottery worker in Blythswood Glasgow February 21 1868.

Son Charles is born March 9th 1869 Central District of Glasgow.

1871 census ( Calton- St.Andrews ) Margaret is now a widow with 2year old son Charles. She is now a shirt maker.

In 1872 Margaret gives birth to a daughter Catherine but since she is not married the birth is registered in Margaret's maiden name. Jack and Annette helped me find that one. Catherine used the name Stewart all her life, she is my grandmother.

Strictly speaking Joseph is not my great grandfather but I would still like to know when he died and what happened to him. Anyone any ideas where else to look.
Cathie

Post by **AnneM** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:08 pm

He could have died between June and December 1868!!

Have you tried these dates?

Anne

Post by **AnneM** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:12 pm

Had a quick look on SP and don't see him at that point.

Anne

Post by **AnneM** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:22 pm

Had another look but it seems to me that your man was definitely abducted by aliens or died outside Scotland. Could he have moved away for a while for work?

Anne

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:39 pm

Or another possibility to consider. She was not a widow, but the marriage had split up and it was more respectable for her to call herself a widow than a woman with a child and no husband. He may have been live and kicking in 1871 - but the question is where.

All the best,

AndrewP

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:50 pm

Thank you for looking Anne.
Joseph and Margaret were both from Ireland but I don't think he would have gone back to Ireland leaving his wife and son behind. I also don't think he was abducted by aliens because I am beginning to think they WERE aliens. Margaret and Catherine I can trace until their deaths but Catherine's husband (my grandfather) is such a tangle of threads he is impossible. I thought I could tidy up my records a little by entering the date of Joseph's death and I thought it would be easy to find. Silly me, see what happens when I think

Maybe I should just go lie down for a wee while
Cathie

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:05 pm

Thanks Andrew
I did consider that for a little while but then she had Catherine in April 1872 and I don't know what that would do for her respectability. On the other hand she remarried in 1877 and she has her mark as Margaret Stewart or Campbell widow. This lot did not make any of it easy for me
Cathie (aka Poor Me)

Bryan · Post by **Bryan** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:58 pm

I wouldn't take her describing herself as widow as proving it.

I have a marriage where the groom describes himself as widower. Checking back we did find his first marriage but also some time later his wife remarrying and describing herself as a widow, this about a year before his second marriage.

So two bigamists for the price of one!

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Wed May 17, 2006 3:24 am

Thanks for that Bryan,
I guess then that Andrew's idea is more than likely. I think I will put Joseph on the back burner, he is not that important, I was just taking a break from Catherine's husband who is a major brickwall, fifty feet high, one hundred feet thick. I will look over my lists and see who else I can go looking for.
Cathie

jennyblain · Post by **jennyblain** » Thu May 18, 2006 9:08 pm

CathieL wrote:Thanks Andrew
I did consider that for a little while but then she had Catherine in April 1872 and I don't know what that would do for her respectability. On the other hand she remarried in 1877 and she has her mark as Margaret Stewart or Campbell widow. This lot did not make any of it easy for me
Cathie (aka Poor Me)

Hi Cathie. The above indicates that she was married, or considered to be married, to Joseph (hence known as Stewart) but that her birth/legal name was Campbell. The 'X or Y' formulation is standard, or at least was so, in e.g. newspapers, even as late as my childhood - naming customs and legalities being different in Scotland than they were in England, where married women's last names tended to get suppressed. It makes tracing women so much easier in the Scottish records !

Jenny