Help I've lost my Grandpappy!!.....

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PaulaD
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Help I've lost my Grandpappy!!.....

Post by PaulaD » Mon May 22, 2006 6:26 pm

Hi All, This is my first attempt at posting so be gentle with me! :) I've lost my grandpappy, well technically he's my GGGgrandpappy. Goes by the name of John Barclay, wife Barbara Bruce 1773-1861. He was a former innkeeper who died in Strichen 4th Dec 1859 aged 87. His death cert states father was William Barclay. Have found John on 1841 and 1851 census which say he was born in Old Deer. Have searched SP and LDS for 1770-1775 but no luck. I have got such a headache from banging it up against this brickwall. ](*,) Can anyone help please??!

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Re: Help I've lost my Grandpappy!!

Post by nelmit » Mon May 22, 2006 7:04 pm

PaulaD wrote:Hi All, This is my first attempt at posting so be gentle with me! :) I've lost my grandpappy, well technically he's my GGGgrandpappy. Goes by the name of John Barclay, wife Barbara Bruce 1773-1861. He was a former innkeeper who died in Strichen 4th Dec 1859 aged 87. His death cert states father was William Barclay. Have found John on 1841 and 1851 census which say he was born in Old Deer. Have searched SP and LDS for 1770-1775 but no luck. I have got such a headache from banging it up against this brickwall. ](*,) Can anyone help please??!
Hello Paula,

Have you tried to follow this John Barclay?

JOHN BARCLAY
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 10 JAN 1778 New Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BARCLAY
Mother: ANNA MILNE

Regards,
Annette M

PaulaD
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Post by PaulaD » Tue May 23, 2006 12:03 am

Hello Annette,
Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately I don't think he's the right John. Mine should have been born earlier about 1772 and also none of my later rellies have Anna or Milne as their names.
Will have to keep searching.
Thanks,
Paula

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Post by joette » Tue May 23, 2006 1:24 pm

Remember that Christening date does not equate to birth date.
I thought my GGGreat-grandmother had given birth to octuplets but turns out that they had all the unchristened children done in one fell swoop.
Also my GGGreat-granny was Ann Craik but my GGreat-Granny named her only daughter Janet Liddell after her stepmother so even names are not always an infallible indicator.
Keep an open mind-people were probably not certain of their ages then either.
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Post by DavidWW » Tue May 23, 2006 2:21 pm

Hi Paula

It's quite common to come across late baptisms, especially in the more rural parishes. Reasons for delay could be many, ranging from simple forgetfulness, through living a long way from the church, to problems with taxes when it wasn't just the affordibility of the amount required but a number of ministers refusing to keep records, - there was a body of opinion that the tax on baptisms, proclamations and burials (The Stamp Act between 1783 and 1794) was an unwarranted interference by the state in purely Church of Scotland matters (not least on the basis of what was guaranteed "for all time" in 1707 Treaty of Union as regards the complete freedom of the Established Church of Scotland to administer its own affairs).

Then there's the fact that the OPRs for many parishes are not continuous and have gaps where the records may never have been made, or just haven't survived, into which "Black Hole" your ancestor may unfortunately have fallen........... That's just one of the joys of Scottish research :!: :shock:

But the complications don't stop there!!

Is there any indication from later records that the family belonged to a secession church, or were Roman Catholics, or Baptists etc., etc.??

As regards secession churches it would be worth a look at the entries for Old and New Deer in the Old Statistical Account at http://edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/ to see what info it provides on the existence of secession congregations. If there were any then check in the National Archives of Scotland catalogue to see if there are any extant records.

In such a rural parish in the last few decades of the 18th C it's unlikely that kids weren't baptised, but the big question is in what church, and have the records survived :!: :cry:

David

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Post by PaulaD » Wed May 24, 2006 9:09 pm

Thanks for your suggestions David and Joette. So far all my research has been pretty easy and straightforward (lucky me :D ) so I was a bit stumped by this one! I'm thinking about building a time machine so I can go back and find them easier!!
Thanks, Paula