Hello All,
I need a bit of help here please.
I have Samuel Dobbie (or Dobie) in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses. He was a coal miner then a mason, born c1817, living in Lasswade Midlothian. In the 1851 census he is a widower living with the in-laws the Patersons with 3 daughters. By 1861 one daughter has married but he still has the other two with him. However I cannot find him in the 1871 census and cannot find a death for him on SP ( only one in Glasgow in 1873) and that's not him.
Any ideas welcome!
Meg
I've lost Samuel Dobbie!.....
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Hi Meg,
Well, this is going to be a stretch, but since no one else has chimed in yet, I will throw these possibilities into the pot.
There is a Samuel Dobbie, age 60, widowed, coal miner, born in Scotland in the 1880 census for Lonaconing, Allegany county, Maryland
He is in a house with a number of people who look unrelated (relationship to head of household is left blank). The person next to him on the census was also born in Scotland. He is Robt Somerville, age 27, also a coal miner.
The head of household is Wm McKinley, age 42, coal miner, born in Scotland
Backtracking, I now see what appears to be the same man, called Samuel Doby in 1870 in the same place and profession as the above. In 1870 he says he is 54, which is closer to the right age. Although marital status is not given in that census, he has no obvious family and is living next door to the same Wm McKinley, who is two years older than he appeared in 1880. Samuel appears to be boarding with the Malloy family from Ireland.
The only Dobbie (spelled Dobbey this time) in Maryland in 1860 is Donald, age 42, a miner born in Scotland. Did Samuel have a brother named Donald who might have enticed him over?
Then, if you don't like the above, in 1900 there is a Samuel Dobbie, a boarder in the house of John Sutherland in Waterbury, New Haven county, Connecticut. Samuel says he was born in April 1817, is widowed, born in Scotland and at age 83 has no profession. However, he says he came to the U.S. in 1860. The only Samuel Dobbie of any spelling I can find in 1860 in the U.S. is a bookbinder in Charlestown, Massachusetts. He is 40 years old and has a wife born in Connecticut and two children. Geographically, I would suspect that this is the same as the one found in 1900 (although he would have to have come over a few years earlier to have, as he does, a 4 year old child born in Massachusetts), so he can perhaps be ruled out. Your Samuel sounds more like the Maryland one.
Well, I tried, and you did say, "Any ideas welcome"
All the best,
Sarah
Well, this is going to be a stretch, but since no one else has chimed in yet, I will throw these possibilities into the pot.
There is a Samuel Dobbie, age 60, widowed, coal miner, born in Scotland in the 1880 census for Lonaconing, Allegany county, Maryland
He is in a house with a number of people who look unrelated (relationship to head of household is left blank). The person next to him on the census was also born in Scotland. He is Robt Somerville, age 27, also a coal miner.
The head of household is Wm McKinley, age 42, coal miner, born in Scotland
Backtracking, I now see what appears to be the same man, called Samuel Doby in 1870 in the same place and profession as the above. In 1870 he says he is 54, which is closer to the right age. Although marital status is not given in that census, he has no obvious family and is living next door to the same Wm McKinley, who is two years older than he appeared in 1880. Samuel appears to be boarding with the Malloy family from Ireland.
The only Dobbie (spelled Dobbey this time) in Maryland in 1860 is Donald, age 42, a miner born in Scotland. Did Samuel have a brother named Donald who might have enticed him over?
Then, if you don't like the above, in 1900 there is a Samuel Dobbie, a boarder in the house of John Sutherland in Waterbury, New Haven county, Connecticut. Samuel says he was born in April 1817, is widowed, born in Scotland and at age 83 has no profession. However, he says he came to the U.S. in 1860. The only Samuel Dobbie of any spelling I can find in 1860 in the U.S. is a bookbinder in Charlestown, Massachusetts. He is 40 years old and has a wife born in Connecticut and two children. Geographically, I would suspect that this is the same as the one found in 1900 (although he would have to have come over a few years earlier to have, as he does, a 4 year old child born in Massachusetts), so he can perhaps be ruled out. Your Samuel sounds more like the Maryland one.
Well, I tried, and you did say, "Any ideas welcome"
All the best,
Sarah
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Hi Meg,
Not surprisingly, there are no Dobbies by that name in 1870, but it is more than likely that they both had married by then.
There are 11 Margarets, born in Scotland, of the approximate age in District 16, Allegany county, Maryland in 1870:
Margaret Furley b. abt 1847
Margaret Hunter b. abt 1845
Margaret Mckimsly b. abt 1846
Margaret Mclaughlin b. abt 1845
Margaret Miller b. abt 1845
Margaret Price b. abt 1846
Margaret Price b. abt 1844
Margaret Stafford b. abt 1846
Margaret Stevenson b. abt 1847
Margaret Walker b. abt 1847
Margaret Gibson b. abt 1845
My vote is that she is the one next door to Samuel, Margaret McKinely (the way I read it, indexed as McKimsly), wife of Wm. You can see the family on the census page I sent you. One interesting thing, if this is the right woman, is that her older daughter, age 5, was born in Scotland. The younger one, age 3 mos, was born in Maryland. So that gives a rough time of their arrival in the U.S.
There is only one Hannah of the right age born in Scotland. She is in the same district as Samuel, so it looks promising. Her husband is from England, so she may have married him after coming over.
Storey George, 24, Miner, England
---- Hannah, 23, Keeping house, Scotland
---- James W, 2/12 (born in May)
Cheers,
Sarah
Not surprisingly, there are no Dobbies by that name in 1870, but it is more than likely that they both had married by then.
There are 11 Margarets, born in Scotland, of the approximate age in District 16, Allegany county, Maryland in 1870:
Margaret Furley b. abt 1847
Margaret Hunter b. abt 1845
Margaret Mckimsly b. abt 1846
Margaret Mclaughlin b. abt 1845
Margaret Miller b. abt 1845
Margaret Price b. abt 1846
Margaret Price b. abt 1844
Margaret Stafford b. abt 1846
Margaret Stevenson b. abt 1847
Margaret Walker b. abt 1847
Margaret Gibson b. abt 1845
My vote is that she is the one next door to Samuel, Margaret McKinely (the way I read it, indexed as McKimsly), wife of Wm. You can see the family on the census page I sent you. One interesting thing, if this is the right woman, is that her older daughter, age 5, was born in Scotland. The younger one, age 3 mos, was born in Maryland. So that gives a rough time of their arrival in the U.S.
There is only one Hannah of the right age born in Scotland. She is in the same district as Samuel, so it looks promising. Her husband is from England, so she may have married him after coming over.
Storey George, 24, Miner, England
---- Hannah, 23, Keeping house, Scotland
---- James W, 2/12 (born in May)
Cheers,
Sarah
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Hello again,
You're in luck! The Alleghany county, Maryland GenWeb has the marriages posted! http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallegh/
Name McKinley, William
Age 32
Race W
Residence Allegany Co.
Occupation Miner
Spouse’s name Doby, Margaret
Age 23
Race W
Residence Allegany Co
Marriage date 06/03/1869
Recorded date 05/27/1869
Performed by A. R. Reiley , Cumberland MD
Name Story, George
Age 23
Race W
Residence Allegany Co.
Occupation Miner
Spouse’s name Dobbie Hannah
Age 22
Race W
Residence Allegany Co
Marriage date 09/24/1869
Recorded date 09/17/1869
Performed by J. D. Fitzgerald , Cumberland MD
So... whose child is the older girl Mary, age 5 in 1870? Is she William and Margaret's, but born before they left Scotland, or is she William's or Margaret's by another person? You could try to find her birth in Scotland and see if anything comes up.
This family is taking shape!
Sarah
You're in luck! The Alleghany county, Maryland GenWeb has the marriages posted! http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallegh/
Name McKinley, William
Age 32
Race W
Residence Allegany Co.
Occupation Miner
Spouse’s name Doby, Margaret
Age 23
Race W
Residence Allegany Co
Marriage date 06/03/1869
Recorded date 05/27/1869
Performed by A. R. Reiley , Cumberland MD
Name Story, George
Age 23
Race W
Residence Allegany Co.
Occupation Miner
Spouse’s name Dobbie Hannah
Age 22
Race W
Residence Allegany Co
Marriage date 09/24/1869
Recorded date 09/17/1869
Performed by J. D. Fitzgerald , Cumberland MD
So... whose child is the older girl Mary, age 5 in 1870? Is she William and Margaret's, but born before they left Scotland, or is she William's or Margaret's by another person? You could try to find her birth in Scotland and see if anything comes up.
This family is taking shape!
Sarah
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I only want to toss out the idea that maybe the Mary age 5 is a daughter of William McKinley and a first wife? His marriage age of 32 would allow for this to be his 2nd one. All just speculation.... -
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Hi Jean,
I would have thought so too... but the plot thickens. I have just found a ship’s list with Hannah and 2 year old Marian Dobbie... There is even a picture of the ship, which I have sent Meg.
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Hannah Dobbie
Arrival Date:19 Apr 1867
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Age:21
Gender:Female
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:Hibernia
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:41
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:277
List Number:311
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
I don’t find Margaret, but there is one entry for Samuel in 1882, so he seems to have gone back and forth. His profession is given as “mason”.
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Saml Dobbie
Arrival Date:23 Jun 1882
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1817
Age:65
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:State of Florida
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:35
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:453
List Number:860
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
I looked for Wm McKinley’s passenger record, to see if Margaret was already with him, but only came up with this one:
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Wm Mckinlay
Arrival Date:13 Jun 1868
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835
Age:33
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:Columbia
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:35
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:296
List Number:592
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
Can't find Margaret so far, but will let you know if anything plausible comes up.
Onward!
Sarah
I would have thought so too... but the plot thickens. I have just found a ship’s list with Hannah and 2 year old Marian Dobbie... There is even a picture of the ship, which I have sent Meg.
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Hannah Dobbie
Arrival Date:19 Apr 1867
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Age:21
Gender:Female
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:Hibernia
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:41
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:277
List Number:311
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
I don’t find Margaret, but there is one entry for Samuel in 1882, so he seems to have gone back and forth. His profession is given as “mason”.
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Saml Dobbie
Arrival Date:23 Jun 1882
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1817
Age:65
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:State of Florida
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:35
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:453
List Number:860
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
I looked for Wm McKinley’s passenger record, to see if Margaret was already with him, but only came up with this one:
New York Passenger Lists Record
Name:Wm Mckinlay
Arrival Date:13 Jun 1868
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835
Age:33
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ship Name:Columbia
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:35
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:296
List Number:592
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States
Can't find Margaret so far, but will let you know if anything plausible comes up.
Onward!
Sarah
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Meg,
Here are some more goodies to go with your tea.
I have sent you Hannah in 1880. They have gone to Iowa by then and, judging from the birthplaces of their children, stayed in Illinois for a few years on the way. Wee James doesn’t seem to have survived, but there is a son named Samuel, which ties in nicely.
In 1900 they are still in Iowa, but in a different county. There are more children born in the meantime (as you may know, the 1890 census was destroyed in a fire, so we don’t have that to go by). Hannah states that she has had 5 children, 5 of whom are still living, which doesn’t seem to be true, but she may have been confused by the question. All of her 5 living children are with her, including a married daughter.
Now, I must tear myself away from the laptop and get something else done Let me know if you'd like me to follow these folks in any particular direction-- I'm enjoying this
Sarah
Here are some more goodies to go with your tea.
I have sent you Hannah in 1880. They have gone to Iowa by then and, judging from the birthplaces of their children, stayed in Illinois for a few years on the way. Wee James doesn’t seem to have survived, but there is a son named Samuel, which ties in nicely.
In 1900 they are still in Iowa, but in a different county. There are more children born in the meantime (as you may know, the 1890 census was destroyed in a fire, so we don’t have that to go by). Hannah states that she has had 5 children, 5 of whom are still living, which doesn’t seem to be true, but she may have been confused by the question. All of her 5 living children are with her, including a married daughter.
Now, I must tear myself away from the laptop and get something else done
Let me know if you'd like me to follow these folks in any particular direction-- I'm enjoying this Sarah