Thomson/Wallace.....

[thomsos]

I have been trying to find any info of a Hugh Thomson c1817 and Margaret Wallace c1818, according to the IGI they could have married Galston or Kilmarnock 1836, there seems to be two, not sure what one to go for on SP
Hugh was a wood sawyer

I did a search for Margaret's death on SP, there is one for 1871 Muirkirk, but its not her, they both are alive when their son John was married in 1862 Cambusnethan

thomsos

[AndrewP]

I have been trying to find any info of a Hugh Thomson c1817 and Margaret Wallace c1818, according to the IGI they could have married Galston or Kilmarnock 1836, there seems to be two, not sure what one to go for on SP

The answer is "could be both of them". In most cases, what you see in the OPRs, and subsequently indexed in the IGI is a record of the calling of the banns rather than the marriage itself. In the case where the bride and groom were from different parishes, then the banns were called in both churches, hence two entries on the IGI.

However, in this case, if you look closer at the details on the online IGI, the Galston one is extracted from the records, and the Kilmarnock on is a submitted entry - not from the records. It could still be that one of them was from Kilmarnock, but until you can find any written record from there, I would stick with the one from the records in Galston.

Looking at the LDS submission, there are birth and death entries for Margaret Wallace. Born 1815, Riccarton Ayrshire. Died 08 April 1891 (no place listed). It may be worth looking further into these to see if you can verify them anywhere. Beware, it is not uncommon for LDS submitted births to be approximations calculated from information given in the censuses - and if you have dealt with many census records, you will know to be wary of the accuracy of the information, particularly the ages given.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Jack]

Hi Thomsos,
They are quite possibly the same couple, with the Banns read out in their respective parishes.
(just noticed Andrew has given a much clearer explanation)
IF this is Hugh & Margaret in 1851 & 1861 (no more details), then they seem a wee bit older than you suspected....
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HUGH THOMSON
MARGARET WALLACE
Marriage: 10 JUN 1836 Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland [LDS submission]

HUGH THOMSON
MARGARET WALLACE
Marriage: 29 JUN 1836 Galston, Ayr, Scotland [OPR extract]
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----some children?----
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JOHN THOMSON - Birth: 14 DEC 1837; Christening: 24 MAY 1838 Galston, Ayr, Scotland
JANET THOMSON - Birth: 17 OCT 1839; Christening: 11 DEC 1839 Galston, Ayr, Scotland
AGNES THOMSON - Birth: 10 MAR 1841; Christening: 13 MAY 1841 Galston, Ayr, Scotland
WILLIAM THOMSON - Birth: 27 DEC 1842 Galston, Ayr, Scotland [LDS sub]
MARGARET THOMSON - Birth: 14 AUG 1845 Galston, Ayr, Scotland
JAMES THOMSON - Birth: 25 APR 1847 Galston, Ayr, Scotland [LDS sub]
ANN THOMSON - Birth: 29 OCT 1856 Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland
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1851 census 611 (508) Ed 5 p 18 (Riccarton)
Hugh THOMSON 40
Margaret 36
Agnes 11
William 9
Margaret 7
James 3
[John born 1837 not with family, though there is a 14yr old in nearby Kilmarnock]
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1861 census 611 Ed 5 p 10 (Riccarton)
Hugh THOMSON 51, b Loudon
Margaret 46, b Riccarton
John 23, b Galston [not with family 1851]
William 18, b Galston
Margaret 16, b Galston
James 14, b Galston
Ann 4, b Riccarton
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Jack

[thomsos]

AndrewP/Jack
Yes I think this could be my family, I sometimes find it a little difficult to be certain, but I viewed Margaret Wallace death 1891 on Sp, and yes I'm sure its her, don't know how I missed it, but I can't find her on the 1881 census, also I can't find Hugh's death, he died sometime between 1862-1891, as Margaret was a widow, help please
Thank-you
thomsos
ps, when do I stop being a novice and get the hang of this

[Jack]

Hi Thomsos,
This looks like Margaret, but under her maiden name.
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1881 Census Place: (Riccarton) Hurlford, Ayr, Scotland
Dwelling: Riccarton Road
Source: FHL Film 0203607 GRO Ref Volume 611 EnumDist 8 Page 50
Margaret WALLACE W 65 F Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head
William THOMSON U 36 M Galston, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Lab In Engineering Work
Annie THOMSON U 23 F Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Serv Dom
--
Jack
ps, most of us never really stop being novices - we are always learning something new.

[thomsos]

see that's what I mean, I never thought of looking under her maiden name, learned something new. Don't know what I'd do without you all
thanks again

thomsos

[Jack]

Hi Thomsos,
Neither did i.
I just searched for a Margaret born 1815 +/- 5yrs in Riccarton.
There was no THOMSON, but there was a WALLACE - with the correct THOMSON children.
But if i'd not found a suitable Margaret, i'd have tried a different age, or just born Ayrshire, or whatever.
The LDS 1881 census CDs must be one of the best ever buys!
Jack

[nelmit]

AndrewP/Jack
Yes I think this could be my family, I sometimes find it a little difficult to be certain, but I viewed Margaret Wallace death 1891 on Sp, and yes I'm sure its her, don't know how I missed it, but I can't find her on the 1881 census, also I can't find Hugh's death, he died sometime between 1862-1891, as Margaret was a widow, help pleaseThank-you
thomsos
ps, when do I stop being a novice and get the hang of this

Hi thomsos,

Have you looked at the Hugh Thomson who died in Riccarton in 1864?

Regards,
Annette M

[thomsos]

Can't make out the wife's name very clearly, but yes I think it is, what I don't understand is when I searched death in SP for Hugh Thomson in Ayr 1861-1891, this one did not show up, can this happen or have I been sitting at this pc too long
Thanks again
thomsos