Citizenship .....

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:08 pm

Hi all,

I have an Italian great grandfather who I can date as being in Glasgow Scotland from 1908 onwards on one of his daughter's birth registrations. I cannot find him before this date. He had died by 1920. Years later (1946) his son stated in some divorce papers that his father was born in Italy but became a British subject before his death.

Where can I find records such as these? Camillo Francisco Granelli was born in 1878 or so and I would really like to find out more about him.

Nina

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:13 pm

Nina

The naturalisation documents are held at The National Archives at Kew:
search here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp , looking for HO series records.

David

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:22 pm

Thanks David,

I have tried searching there before, but nothing comes up. Maybe I am using it incorrectly, as it always confuses me!

Nina

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:27 pm

ninatoo wrote:Thanks David,

I have tried searching there before, but nothing comes up. Maybe I am using it incorrectly, as it always confuses me!

Nina

Hmmmm ........ had a quick look myself and couldn't see anything that matched, so maybe his son was wrong. BTW if you use multiple search terms the connecting "and" or "or" must be in caps, i.e. AND and OR....

Could be an idea to email TNA and explain the situation, and ask for their advice. I'm not sure if TNA holds denization papers as well as naturalisation papers.

David

PS See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... fletID=242

Post by **Liz Turner** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:22 pm

Hi Nina

This site might give you some more background information about Italian life in Glasgow. I used to work with a guy whose father was the Honorary Consul in Glasgow, a long time ago!

http://www.scotsitalian.com/casa_ditalia.htm

Good lyck with your search.

Liz

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:00 pm

Thanks to you both. Lesley, I have been to that site before and find it fascinating. My g-grandfather was a fish restauranteur (either worked in or owned a chippie) so I like to see pictures like that.

This needs more investigating. I now have some doubts about this nationalisation, based on a photo believed to be my g-grandfather in WW1 wearing an Italian army uniform. Also a postcard from him to his 'grand-daughter'. However the dates don't seem to line up from what I know. There is doubt because he would have just had young children at that time, no grand-kids. I need to talk more to my Uncles about this.
Thanks for reading,

Nina

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:18 pm

Oops, I meant LIZ

Thanks Liz!!

Nina

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:16 pm

Hi Nina,
Did your Camillo and family, retain the Granelli surname?
I have several Italian friends here in Glasgow.
I asked one of the older ones, who came over here in the 1940s, regarding the Granelli's.
I was told that a lot of Italians in Britain changed their name, before or during the Second War, to avoid being locked up.
I know this is well after the death of Camillo

Tony said there was a family in Aberdeen, none that he knew of here. but quite a few in the North of England.
There is a book on Italians in Scotland.
Will see if I can find the exact title and get back to you

Davie

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ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:39 pm

Thanks Davie,

Camillo died in 1920 but his son, my grandfather, changed his name to Carson in 1943. This was his mother's maiden name. If not for that I would have had an Italian maiden name.

I have found a reference to Granelli in Aberdeen, but I do not have a connection to them that I know of. Thanks for asking around, and I look forward to hearing about the book!

Nina

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:29 pm

Again Nina
Not what I was looking for, but thought you might find this of interest.

http://www.scalan.co.uk/Italians.htm

I grew up with Poles, Jews and Italians in the east end of Glasgow quite a few of us still still meet up on occasion.
Used to have "Uncles" Peter (Rossi) Abe (Solomon) good friends of my Faither.
My Dad tell't the tale of Whites pub in the Calton.
When the wummin used to come out of the hostelry to relieve themselves, as these estabishments had no facilities for ladies.
They used to lift their skirts and just let go down the stanks.
Mr Corrola, who had the dairy next door would chase them away shouting "You pisha in my stank, you pisha in my eye".
We are very fortunate to have my Dad (b. 1905) relaying this tale plus many more on DVD, over 90 minutes worth of memories.
Davie