Ethel Jane Rust - Scotland 1900.....

[Robert Els]

Hi all

I'm trying to gather info on my family, while at the same time trying to find my Grandmothers birth certificate.
Her name was Ethel Jane Rust, born 17 December 1900, either in Edinburgh or Aberdeen, her Father was George William Rust and her Mother was a McKisson(I think that's the correct spelling),I'm not sure of her first name. Ethel Jane had 3 brothers and a sister who died as an infant, not sure what her name was. Her 3 brothers were called Edward Rust(known as Jock), William Rust(known as Billy), and George Rust. The entire family moved to South Africa somewhere between 1903 and 1906, where she married Phillipus Rudolph Els. Unfortunately I never had the opportunity to meet either of them and my family don't have any more information on her other than what I've written. I would like to find more information on her parents, escpecially her Mothers side. As I live in South Africa it's difficult trying to find information on her birth certificate, which I would like to get in order to apply for a Ancestral Visa. I am however in the process of having a company in England investigate that for me. Any more information would be lovely as I'm also trying to put a family tree together.
Kind regards
Robert Els

[Andy]

Hi Robert,

I think you have a job on your hands. I can't see any marriages for a George and ANY likely "Mc" surnames. Can't see ANY births of the named people, deaths or any likely candidates in the 1901 census.

[JimM]

Hello Robert
Welcome to TalkingScot
There is an Els Rust born in St Machar Aberdeen in 1899
Co-incidence or what?

Jim

[JustJean]

Hi folks

Doubtful it's the right gal.....Els is short for Elsie Edwards Rust I believe. Parents do not line up and birth in Jan so not even close to the end of the year. I have to concur with Andy (which is never a hard thing to do !) .....this family does not seem to be in Scotland!

Best wishes
Jean

[JimM]

Och well
I just thought...... Aberdeen.... Els... Rust ...... and as near as thingy to 1900
Just a co-incidence then

Jim

[Liz Turner]

This is just an outside possiblity as there seems to be a number of "Rust" folk in the northeast of Scotland, in fact most of them seem to be there! Could this be George the father of Ethel Jane??

GEORGE RUST OR FARRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 18 FEB 1865 Turriff, Aberdeen, Scotland
Father George Rust; Mother Margaret Farry.

He would be about 35 or so when she was born around 1900. Couldn't see a marriage for him though. Did a search on the IGI and found 31 marriages for George Rust in Britain, most can be ruled out because of the year.

How certain are you about Ethel's mother's name being McKisson (or variants)??

I'm sure others will chip in here, but I've not found Ethel to be a common forename in Scotland, so perhaps she came from England/English background.

Good luck with your search.

Liz

[Robert Els]

Hi all
Thank you for the trouble you've gone to. It's appreciated.
This is extremely frustrating. My Father recalls his Mother(Ethel Jane Rust) telling him she was born in Scotland. Where exactly could be debated, Aberdeen or Edinburgh were two places mentioned by my aunt(who has no information on her Mother). The birth date is correct, it's the one thing we are sure of.
One of the family members was ill and thus couldn't spend the winters in Scotland, the whole family would pack up and come to South Africa, this happened more than once. My Father also recalls his Mother telling him that she was very young when she left Scotland( approx. 4 years old) for the final time and moved to S.A.

I could be wrong, but what I've been told is that in those years, Aberdeen was the main port of departure, so if anyone could help me in finding passenger lists for 1900(to be safe) to approx. 1906, I could confirm that the family did indeed depart Scotland.
Just a stab in the dark, but, Ethel Jane's older brother, Edward (?) Rust, married a Margaret Fairlie MacIntyre(known as Peggy). She was born in Barrhead, Paisley(Glasgow) sometime in the late 1800's. She also moved to S.A.
If I could trace their Marriage certificate, this could lead me to more info on Edward, this could hopefully give me more info on the family as a whole, which could lead me to Ethel Jane. pheeeww!!! Told you this was a stab in the dark!!.
Edward Rust's Grandson lives in Edinburgh(moved there from SA) and he also couldn't find a birth certificate at the Registry Office some years ago, this could be that it was because they were going over from microfilm to cd????. Anyway, the records weren't all available at that time and I don't think he's ever tried again.
As far as the surname of my great Grandmother is concerned, this is also something that was mentioned and not written in stone, my Father's sister claims that her middle name - MacKisson, was their Grandmothers surname.
Edward Rust's Grandson, who lives in Edinburgh, says that his Mother's middle name is also MacKisson, which she also claimed was her Grandmothers surname.
The spelling of the two middle names do differ, how, I'm not sure, but I'm sure my Great Grandmothers surname was MacKisson(or some variation of it)
I hope that from the essay above, somebody would be able to use something which could give me and my family a breakthrough.

Thanks once again to everyone.

Regards
Robert Els

[Liz Turner]

Hi Robert

I've had some credits left on SP so I've had a quick check for some inofo for you. These are the only marriages for a George Rust between 1553 and 1854.

1 26/12/1741 RUST GEORGE HELEN FAIRFULL/ M AUCHTERMUCHTY 406/00 0001
2 14/06/1839 RUST GEORGE ELIZABETH FALCONER/ M ARBUTHNOT 250/00 0004
3 01/06/1840 RUST GEORGE ANNE GRUER/ M BIRSE 175/00 0002
4 27/06/1840 RUST GEORGE ANNE GRUAR/ M STRACHAN 268/00 0003

Here are the births from 1855

1 1897 RUST CHARLES GEORGE M STRACHAN /KINCARDINE 268/00 0006
2 1865 RUST GEORGE M TURRIFF /ABERDEEN 247/00 0031
3 1879 RUST GEORGE M RAYNE /ABERDEEN 236/00 0042
4 1880 RUST GEORGE M ALLOA /CLACKMANNAN 465/00 0050
5 1880 RUST GEORGE M KINLOSS /MORAY 138/00 0023
6 1898 RUST GEORGE M TULLYNESSLE AND FORBES /ABERDEEN 246/00 0029
7 1882 RUST GEORGE ALEANDER M OYNE /ABERDEEN 230/00 0021
8 1904 RUST GEORGE ALEXANDE M TOWIE /ABERDEEN 245/00 0013
9 1875 RUST GEORGE GORDON M KINTORE /ABERDEEN 213/00 0072
10 1886 RUST HERBERT GEORGE M ELGIN /MORAY 135/00 0120

Here are marriages from 1855 to 1905

1 1888 RUST GEORGE ARCHIBALD ANN LEOCHEL AND CUSHNIE /ABERDEEN 214/00 0002
2 1930 RUST GEORGE MCDONALD ISABELLA MORNINGSIDE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/07 0130
3 1926 RUST GEORGE MORRISON WINIFRED C GRAN ST MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0119
4 1906 RUST GEORGE PATERSON MARY CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/03 0095
5 1871 RUST GEORGE PHILIP MARGARET OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0289
6 1879 RUST GEORGE PRIESTLEY HELEN CHAPEL OF GARIOCH /ABERDEEN 179/00 0007
7 1875 RUST GEORGE SIMPSON JESSIE MONYMUSK /ABERDEEN 224/00 0007
8 1868 RUST GEORGE WHITTON MAGDALENE MONTROSE /ANGUS 312/00 0087
9 1920 RUST GEORGE R LOCKHART EUPHEMIA MITCHE RUTHERGLEN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 654/00 0225

Sorry I can't be of more help.
Liz

[JanetB]

Hi Robert

Have you tried variants of the RUST name. I have a George RUST in Kincardineshire & his marriage in the IGI is listed as ROOST. His gravestone describes him as ROUST and his will RUST or ROUST. He died in 1864 and from then on the name does seem to settle on RUST. I haven't traced all his descendants but his only surviving son was William who married Margaret FINDLAY in 1839.

Regards

Janet

[Robert Els]

Many thanks to all trying to help and going to so much trouble for me, it's appreciated.
Unfortunately I still haven't had any luck.
Regards