Yet another photo ID opportunity.....

[LesleyB]

Hi all
They are coming out of the woodwork now!

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-813

The photos here show two brothers on the left, in individual pictures. The elder brother (b.1878) is the one in the very bad quality newspaper image, taken around 1930 I think, but it is the only known picture I have of him. The younger brother is shown below (b.1887) - again, the only known picture I have of him, possibly taken around 1905.

I'm pretty sure that these two brothers are the two young men shown in the picnic on the right - the lady sitting behind with the dark hat is the sister of the two brothers (b. 1870) I have my own theory on who is who, but would just be interested to see if anyone thinks the same.

Best wishes
Lesley

later - forgot to mention - photo taken about 1910, going by age of the tot at the back! (she was b.1908)
here is the whole picture:
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-815
the man on the far right is also a brother (b.1873), as is the man wearing the dark hat, third from the right (b.1876)

[emanday]

The chap in the bottom photo seems to be the chap on the left at the picnic. As to the other chap, not sure.

[Ted]

Lesley

I downloaded the photos and then zoomed in using a photo package - I think that the younger lad in the photo on the left is closely related to the man on the left of the picnic photo - but I do not think that are the same guy. The man on the left in the picnic photo seems to have smaller lugs - they usually get bigger with age not smaller - and the jowels do not seem quite the same (taking account of the age difference). I do not see the older man in the small photo being the man on the right of the picnic photo at all - the face shapes seem vastly different. Also the two smaller photos look like close relatives - father / son or brothers - whereas the lads in the picnic do not look at all alike.

Just my thoughts.

Ted

[LesleyB]

Just realised I've missed out what I think is a vital part of the clue - this is the mother of the two brothers.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-814

- again, the only picture I have of her. I have no picture of their father.

[paddyscar]

IF either of the men in the photo are in the single photos, I'd pick the one on the left (with the cuppa)as being the one in the newspaper photo. The eyebrows, nose and ears have a likeness. Even the farthest reaches of his hairline match on the right side of his head. In the newspaper print, his chin looks wider, but that may be from a fleshier neck that doesn't show in the paper.

The other fellow on the grass at right, has markedly different ears from the single photos. The lower photo on the left, also seems to be of a younger man, than is in the group pic (right of the girl). He also seems to have a broader face than the single pic on the left, which would serve to make his ears less prominent, not more noticible as they appear.

[SarahND]

What a marvelous picture of the mother! Looks like a woman of character, to be sure.

As for the boys/men... The ears worry me also. In the picnic, the young man on the left has ears very tight to the head with what looks like attached lobes. The lower photo has "detached" and larger lobes. I would agree that the photos look like related people, but not the same person.

The young man on the right at the picnic has a much smaller nose than the man in the newspaper, and the ears (although they are hard to see in the picnic photo) also seem different.

That said, however, I'm sure you know who the others are in the photo and therefore have narrowed the field down to these two brothers. If I had to choose, I would say that the one on the left is the one in the lower photo, and the one on the right is the upper photo, but I'm not happy with either...
Regards,
Sarah

[grannysrock]

HI Lesley - the brother on the left - for me "quite probably" , the other one "possible" but hard to tell. I don't know when the photograph of the mother was taken - but she looks like the lady with the flowery hat - her bone structure looks similar, her hair looks to part/peak in the same place and above all the way she looks at the camera or should I say looks above it ! But then my eyesight is terrible !

The photo of the mother and the group photo are pretty special - I'm glad you have them . Thanks for sharing them with us.


Sally

PS - who do you look like ......

[LesleyB]

Hi all
Thanks for your thoughts on this one. It is very interesting to hear what others make of it - you know sometimes, when you want someone to be in a photograph you can almost convince yourself they are there...? I suspected I might be doing this....still not sure. Gut feeling vs. common sense!

My conclusion, after many hours thought and consideration were that the older brother, in the newspaper clipping, was the man on the left in the picnic photo. The younger brother, who is shown as a teenager in the small portrait, I rather hoped might be the young man on the right - several years older, a man now, not a boy, a little heavier. It occured to me that although he does not closely resemble his younger self, he really looks, to my eyes, like his mother - the older lady I posted separately. (she is my gr gr grandmother - ....and she doesn't look like someone you would mess with!! )

The reason I think both the brothers are there is because it seems like a family picnic - with family who were all born in Edinburgh, but were now dispersed (the eldest brother on the right was resident in the Phillipines by this time, so he must have been home for a visit, one brother was in Newcastle, the sister was living in Glasgow). So, I reckon either the youngest brother is the man on the right, OR the youngest brother was taking the photo. The only people who I can't identify ( & have no candidates for at all) is the girl between those two "brothers" and the lady in profile on the left - is the person taking the photo her partner & is that her child in front of her?? There were four brothers & one sister in this family - the rest are all there - just not sure about that youngest brother.

I don't know when the photograph of the mother was taken - but she looks like the lady with the flowery hat - her bone structure looks similar

Well spotted Sally - the lady with the flowery hat is my gr grandmother, she is the daughter of the older lady in the single photograph.

I have no idea where the photo was taken - I think it must be in Scotland though. To me, it is a wonderful, yet poignant photograph, beautifully illustrating that hugely evocative Edwardian calm before the first world war. Many of the people in this family did not live much longer: the ten to eleven year old girl near the centre died not long after this, aged 15, from meningitis. Her brother, to the right with the cap on, died aged 20 in the Somme in 1918. The only child from that family to survive was my grandmother, who is the 6/7year old girl sitting infront of her brother. Of the two brothers we were trying to identlfy here, the elder died in a yachting accident on the Forth in his 50s, and the younger brother died in 1919 in the flu epidemic following WW1.
It is just as well they all had no idea what was just around the corner on the day they went for a picnic...

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

Best wishes
Lesley