Clemison family... please.....
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immelody333
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Clemison family... please.....
I am very new to genealogical research and I don't want to spend money (yet anyway) because there are SO MANY sites and resources that I would spend a fortune... they all look promising. I'm really, really hoping that someone sees this who knows something. My grandfathers' name was George Clemison-Kansas, USA (other siblings Edna, Vera, Opal, NinaPearl, Marvel, Billy [William Jr.], Arden, Elden, Kenneth, and Alice), his parents were William Clemison and Sarah Effie McAlpin-Ks. USA, Williams' father was 'George Clemison' who lived in MO and married Sarah Taylor. he was born in 1844 in Scotland. I would like to find more about these ancestors and the origins of the family. Thanks so much for any help. My grandfather holds such a dear place in my heart and the entire family felt so very 'SCOTCH'
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AnneM
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Help. I thought I'd replied to this post!
Anyway another go.
Hi there,
Welcome to TS.
I'm afraid there's no real alternative to spending a bit of money to track down the elusive ancestors but it is well worth it in the end. You are of course correct to make sure you spend wisely.
You could register with the Scotland's People site for which there is a link at the top of this page. There you will find a George Clemeson aged 7 on the 1851 census in Carluke Lanarkshire. This may well be your man and if you are lucky he could be living with his parents.
Having said that you would need some confirmation that this is the correct guy. Do you have any details from his marriage certificate that would give the name of a parent. As I could not find a marriage to Sarah on SP, I am assuming perhaps incorrectly that they married in the US.
One thing to remember is that spellings of names do not remain constant throughout the generations and that there are several possible variants for Clemison, most of which can fortunately be caught by searching on Clem*son.
Someone else may have more advice for you but I wish you the best of luck. Let us know if that is the right George.
Anne
Anyway another go.
Hi there,
Welcome to TS.
I'm afraid there's no real alternative to spending a bit of money to track down the elusive ancestors but it is well worth it in the end. You are of course correct to make sure you spend wisely.
You could register with the Scotland's People site for which there is a link at the top of this page. There you will find a George Clemeson aged 7 on the 1851 census in Carluke Lanarkshire. This may well be your man and if you are lucky he could be living with his parents.
Having said that you would need some confirmation that this is the correct guy. Do you have any details from his marriage certificate that would give the name of a parent. As I could not find a marriage to Sarah on SP, I am assuming perhaps incorrectly that they married in the US.
One thing to remember is that spellings of names do not remain constant throughout the generations and that there are several possible variants for Clemison, most of which can fortunately be caught by searching on Clem*son.
Someone else may have more advice for you but I wish you the best of luck. Let us know if that is the right George.
Anne
Anne
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immelody333
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Thank you for your input. I may end up subscribing to 'ScotlandPeople?' . They did marry in the US and the info that I have came from ... I think... 'FamilyTree' from a census in MO. I have an abundance of info on the McAlpin side (also Scottish) and am beginning a seemingly dead-end research of my grandmothers' side (Stokesbury... Irish) and also my fathers' side is Native American so being Scottish/ Irish/ Native American :p has me going in different directions and I want to see where each load leads me (the free road...lol) before I end up paying to learn more about the 'dead ends' Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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AnneM
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Hi again
With luck the US experts will be able to give you a clue as to how to find the Marriage Certificate for George and Sarah.
Do you know when he emigrated?
I would be crossing my fingers for a father named William.
Anne
With luck the US experts will be able to give you a clue as to how to find the Marriage Certificate for George and Sarah.
Do you know when he emigrated?
I would be crossing my fingers for a father named William.
Anne
Anne
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AnneM
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Hi it's me again,
I had a look at the 1880 census for George on the Family Search website http://www.familysearch.org and there he and Sarah are in Missouri. Sarah was born in Missouri so I think it's a reasonable guess that they were married there. Could be completely off beam of course on that.
I notice that there is another George Clemison aged 54, a stone cutter, in New York State. I would think he is the George Clemison/Clemeson who married Anne Towland in 1847 in Kirkpatrick or Lochmaben in Dumfriesshire. Though I doubt he is your George's father he may be another relation.
Don't know if this helps.
Anne
PS Widening the search to all Clemisons gives Samuel, 57 and Sarah, 62 a farmer and his wife both born in Scotland in the very same town as your George. I would not bet against their being his parents! Back to SP and the 1851 Census. BTW Samuel and Sarah probably married on 22/11/1841 in Holywood (see the Old Parish Records on SP). My problem is that I have not a clue where in Scotland Holywood is but no doubt some kind and knowledgeable soul will enlighten us!
I got all of this for the princely cost of 2 credits on SP and you can get the census entry for 5. Hope it is credits well spent!
AMacK
Instead of being lazy I've found that Holywood is in Dumfrieshire at the border of Kirkcudbrightshire. It is not however so far from Lanarkshire that I would despair of George aged 7 in Carluke.
I had a look at the 1880 census for George on the Family Search website http://www.familysearch.org and there he and Sarah are in Missouri. Sarah was born in Missouri so I think it's a reasonable guess that they were married there. Could be completely off beam of course on that.
I notice that there is another George Clemison aged 54, a stone cutter, in New York State. I would think he is the George Clemison/Clemeson who married Anne Towland in 1847 in Kirkpatrick or Lochmaben in Dumfriesshire. Though I doubt he is your George's father he may be another relation.
Don't know if this helps.
Anne
PS Widening the search to all Clemisons gives Samuel, 57 and Sarah, 62 a farmer and his wife both born in Scotland in the very same town as your George. I would not bet against their being his parents! Back to SP and the 1851 Census. BTW Samuel and Sarah probably married on 22/11/1841 in Holywood (see the Old Parish Records on SP). My problem is that I have not a clue where in Scotland Holywood is but no doubt some kind and knowledgeable soul will enlighten us!
I got all of this for the princely cost of 2 credits on SP and you can get the census entry for 5. Hope it is credits well spent!
AMacK
Instead of being lazy I've found that Holywood is in Dumfrieshire at the border of Kirkcudbrightshire. It is not however so far from Lanarkshire that I would despair of George aged 7 in Carluke.
Anne
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immelody333
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Thank you..... very, very cool lead!!!!!!! I definately need to look at some maps and learn a bit about the geography. I think I have heard my mom mention the name "Samuel Clemison" (she's a history teacher and has done a little research but if she still has any records, she doesn't know where they are... in time, we'll find them; she doesn't live in my area). If this IS Georges' father then three generations of Clemisons married women named "Sarah"...lol. Thank you for the tip. I'm going to decide as soon as I receive some info. I requested from relation on my dads' side, which places I want to send money to...lol. Thanks very much for your time and energy... it is much appreciated.
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DavidWW
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That was certainly my impression, and given the at least slightly unusual surname involved, I'd reckon that there's more than a good chance that this is your 'George Clemison', born in 1844 in Scotland.immelody333 wrote:Actually I think I may pay for that document because the dates add up precisely... but I would still need a way to prove that it is the same man and I have no parents' names for him.
Soooo......, go for it would be my advice, i.e. spend the required credits on ScotlandsPeople.
And who knows what the 1851, maybe even 1861, censuses will show in terms of siblings, leading maybe to living relatives in Auld Scotia
David
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Jack
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Clemison in Carluke 1851
Hi immelody333,
With Anne's help on 7yr old George, here is who he's with in the 1851 census.
These are from name indexes; so not the full details that will be on the pages from Scotlandspeople.
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1851 census 629 (675) Ed 8 pp 9-10 (Carluke)
Samuel CLEMISON, 29, b Dumfries, DFS
Margaret CLEMISON, 35, b Parton, KKD
William CLEMISON, 9?, b Parton, KKD
George CLEMISON, 7, b Crossmichael, DFS
Catherine CLEMISON, 4, b Applegarth, DFS
Samuel CLEMISON, 2, b Kirkgudzeon, DFS
Janet CLEMISON, 18, b Lochmaben, DFS
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Jack
With Anne's help on 7yr old George, here is who he's with in the 1851 census.
These are from name indexes; so not the full details that will be on the pages from Scotlandspeople.
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1851 census 629 (675) Ed 8 pp 9-10 (Carluke)
Samuel CLEMISON, 29, b Dumfries, DFS
Margaret CLEMISON, 35, b Parton, KKD
William CLEMISON, 9?, b Parton, KKD
George CLEMISON, 7, b Crossmichael, DFS
Catherine CLEMISON, 4, b Applegarth, DFS
Samuel CLEMISON, 2, b Kirkgudzeon, DFS
Janet CLEMISON, 18, b Lochmaben, DFS
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Jack
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immelody333
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^ David, Thanks... yes, this is definately my thought!!!!!!!!! That would be very very cool and I know my mom would be excited as well ( 
... thinking of that makes me smile). OK, I will go back and do this in a bit... I'm suppose to be working but I'm a little obsessive about this right now...lol.
Thanks for all the help!!!!! (I should have done this before I named my daughter... I might have considered "Sarah" )
... thinking of that makes me smile). OK, I will go back and do this in a bit... I'm suppose to be working but I'm a little obsessive about this right now...lol.Thanks for all the help!!!!! (I should have done this before I named my daughter... I might have considered "Sarah"
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