It's these McIntyre's again !
On the 1841 Census Lismore, Appin and Duror, I have 3 children linked to Hugh McIntyre and Effy McInnes. They are John aged 11, Hugh aged 7 and Mary aged 3. I have Hugh and Effy's marriage in 1827. I cannot find any record of any of these children being born to Hugh and Effy, anywhere in Scotland. Anyone got any suggestions.
Thanks
No records of children.....
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Russell
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Hi Patjohn
Not neccessarily an insurmountable problem but they may not have belonged to the Established Church of Scotland. At that time it is quite likely they did not and were members of the Free Church of Scotland or one of the other breakaway branches. This means that it is a bit of a lottery whether the records of the church they were part of eventually became part of the wider records in Scotland. In some areas they were handed over when churches re-united. In other areas the Free Church still is the recognised faith. There were Roman Catholic enclaves too and they still may have their own records although many have been handed over for transcription.
Where did you find the record of Hugh and Effie's marriage?
If it was from the Old parish Records it could prove worthwhile to get hold of the film from the parish and work your way through that on the assumption that when the records were digitised the name may have been spelled and recorded differently.
Have you tried the many variant spellings of McIntyre and McInnes in your searches. Read up on the use of wildcard searches if you are going to look at the OPR on scotlandspeople.
Effie, as you probably know, is often an abbreviation of Euphemia but she may be under Phemie or Femmie or Euphan which is the older version of the name.
Searching is half the fun when you get further back and to make a find is like winning the Lottery.
Russell
Not neccessarily an insurmountable problem but they may not have belonged to the Established Church of Scotland. At that time it is quite likely they did not and were members of the Free Church of Scotland or one of the other breakaway branches. This means that it is a bit of a lottery whether the records of the church they were part of eventually became part of the wider records in Scotland. In some areas they were handed over when churches re-united. In other areas the Free Church still is the recognised faith. There were Roman Catholic enclaves too and they still may have their own records although many have been handed over for transcription.
Where did you find the record of Hugh and Effie's marriage?
If it was from the Old parish Records it could prove worthwhile to get hold of the film from the parish and work your way through that on the assumption that when the records were digitised the name may have been spelled and recorded differently.
Have you tried the many variant spellings of McIntyre and McInnes in your searches. Read up on the use of wildcard searches if you are going to look at the OPR on scotlandspeople.
Effie, as you probably know, is often an abbreviation of Euphemia but she may be under Phemie or Femmie or Euphan which is the older version of the name.
Searching is half the fun when you get further back and to make a find is like winning the Lottery.
Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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Hi Patjohn,
I think I have found one of the children in the online IGI.
Mary McIntyre, christened: Lismore 22-Jul-1834
Parents: John McIntyre & Phemmy McInnes
The match is not exact, but it has a lot going for it. Effy and Phemie (Phemmy) are both derivatives of Euphemia. I think another thread (some time ago) on TalkingScot suggested John and Hugh as interchangeable (I doubted that, but maybe I am to be proven wrong).
Lismore parish is one of the many where only the female births are listed in the online version of the IGI. The boys oborn in the parish will show up in other versions of the IGI - microfiche (certain libraries) and computer (LDS Family History Centres). The ScotlandsPeople index will show both boys and girls, but unfortunately no OPR images yet.
All the best,
AndrewP
I think I have found one of the children in the online IGI.
Mary McIntyre, christened: Lismore 22-Jul-1834
Parents: John McIntyre & Phemmy McInnes
The match is not exact, but it has a lot going for it. Effy and Phemie (Phemmy) are both derivatives of Euphemia. I think another thread (some time ago) on TalkingScot suggested John and Hugh as interchangeable (I doubted that, but maybe I am to be proven wrong).
Lismore parish is one of the many where only the female births are listed in the online version of the IGI. The boys oborn in the parish will show up in other versions of the IGI - microfiche (certain libraries) and computer (LDS Family History Centres). The ScotlandsPeople index will show both boys and girls, but unfortunately no OPR images yet.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Russell
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Hi Pat
The fiche will almost certainly be avaiable in Edinburgh but Oban is , as you say a good day out and if your driving, a glorious drive in to the bargain at this time of year.
I had a look in the passing and see that FreeCen seem to have Lismore and Appin on-line for 1851 as well as 1841.
Worth a look.
Russell
The fiche will almost certainly be avaiable in Edinburgh but Oban is , as you say a good day out and if your driving, a glorious drive in to the bargain at this time of year.
I had a look in the passing and see that FreeCen seem to have Lismore and Appin on-line for 1851 as well as 1841.
Worth a look.
Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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Russell
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Pat
Do you mean you haven't found a FREE source of census information. My goodness
FreeCen is a free access site where volunteers have transcribed almost the entire 1841 census for the whole of the British Isles.
you can find the actual search engine at:
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Be careful that you put in the correct year. When you select the parish it will tell you whether any of the later census entries have been covered
e.g. (Lismore 1841/1851)
Don't put in too much information. Stick to Surname, forename, gender, age +/- a couple of years, census county and parish. unless you lack some details and use other info as a substitute.
In a rural parish you can work backwards and forwards on either side of your 'find' to see if other related families live nearby. Wonderful when you find grandparents, brothers and sisters all living in the same area.
It can be quites slow at times probably because the poor servers are overloaded since it is free.
Enjoy the opportunity for a free search.
Russell
Do you mean you haven't found a FREE source of census information. My goodness
FreeCen is a free access site where volunteers have transcribed almost the entire 1841 census for the whole of the British Isles.
you can find the actual search engine at:
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Be careful that you put in the correct year. When you select the parish it will tell you whether any of the later census entries have been covered
e.g. (Lismore 1841/1851)
Don't put in too much information. Stick to Surname, forename, gender, age +/- a couple of years, census county and parish. unless you lack some details and use other info as a substitute.
In a rural parish you can work backwards and forwards on either side of your 'find' to see if other related families live nearby. Wonderful when you find grandparents, brothers and sisters all living in the same area.
It can be quites slow at times probably because the poor servers are overloaded since it is free.
Enjoy the opportunity for a free search.
Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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Hi Patjohn,
Edinburgh Central Library's Scottish Library has a lot of census and OPR microfilms, but I don't think Argyll is amongst the counties they hold films for there.
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/libraries/s ... ttish.html
The Scottish Genealogy Society library has the 1851 census film that includes Lismore, Appin & Duror, but not 1841 according to their online library holdings pages. They do have the full set of OPRs for the whole of Scotland.
http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/
In New Register House, the censuses (apart from 1881) can be browsed onscreen, or microfilm. The full set of OPR microfilms are held there too.
I don't know what facilities are at Oban Library. The main local studies library for Argyll & Bute Council is in Sandbank, Dunoon.
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/content/l ... 165022&a=0
A phone call to Oban Library may give you the answer regarding their holdings.
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/obanlibrary?s=2164955&a=0
All the best,
AndrewP
Edinburgh Central Library's Scottish Library has a lot of census and OPR microfilms, but I don't think Argyll is amongst the counties they hold films for there.
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/libraries/s ... ttish.html
The Scottish Genealogy Society library has the 1851 census film that includes Lismore, Appin & Duror, but not 1841 according to their online library holdings pages. They do have the full set of OPRs for the whole of Scotland.
http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/
In New Register House, the censuses (apart from 1881) can be browsed onscreen, or microfilm. The full set of OPR microfilms are held there too.
I don't know what facilities are at Oban Library. The main local studies library for Argyll & Bute Council is in Sandbank, Dunoon.
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/content/l ... 165022&a=0
A phone call to Oban Library may give you the answer regarding their holdings.
http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/obanlibrary?s=2164955&a=0
All the best,
AndrewP
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Hi Pat
Jist stickin’ ma neb in on this.
I have family buried in Lismore and have trawled about the graveyards in Fort William and Oban.
Also have several McIntyres and McInnes’ on file.
Nothing I can see related to yours, other than the area.
My cousin is an expert on the wilderness up ther'.
One year in Inverness the next in Argyle.
I think Andrew made a valid point on Mary’s birth in 1834.
Far too coincidental.
I would lay serious money on him being correct, he usually is.
Never trust a census record.
I can also assure you that in the world of family research, Hugh, Ewen and John can be one and the same.
Just like Donald, David and Daniel.
There are lots more like that and the Lassies are even more of a problem.
Davie
Jist stickin’ ma neb in on this.
I have family buried in Lismore and have trawled about the graveyards in Fort William and Oban.
Also have several McIntyres and McInnes’ on file.
Nothing I can see related to yours, other than the area.
My cousin is an expert on the wilderness up ther'.
One year in Inverness the next in Argyle.
I think Andrew made a valid point on Mary’s birth in 1834.
Far too coincidental.
I would lay serious money on him being correct, he usually is.
Never trust a census record.
I can also assure you that in the world of family research, Hugh, Ewen and John can be one and the same.
Just like Donald, David and Daniel.
There are lots more like that and the Lassies are even more of a problem.
Davie
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Davie
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Hi Pat
I have some information regarding your McIntyres
On The 1881 census.
Dwelling: Achurn
Census Place: Lismore & Appin, Argyll, Scotland
EnumDist 1 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh MC INTYRE W 89 M Fort William, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Woollen Weaver
Mary MC INTYRE 44 F Duror, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Agr Lab
The age might be a bit off, but we are fairly certain this is your Hugh.
Unfortunately there is no mention of his wife's name on his death cert. just that he was a widower.
But his brother Lachlan was the signatory.
Euphemia McIntyre nee McInnes died at Achurn in 1878 age 87.
Married to Hugh McIntyre.
Davie
I have some information regarding your McIntyres
On The 1881 census.
Dwelling: Achurn
Census Place: Lismore & Appin, Argyll, Scotland
EnumDist 1 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh MC INTYRE W 89 M Fort William, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Woollen Weaver
Mary MC INTYRE 44 F Duror, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Agr Lab
The age might be a bit off, but we are fairly certain this is your Hugh.
Unfortunately there is no mention of his wife's name on his death cert. just that he was a widower.
But his brother Lachlan was the signatory.
Euphemia McIntyre nee McInnes died at Achurn in 1878 age 87.
Married to Hugh McIntyre.
Davie