Name change?

Thrall · Post by **Thrall** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:04 am

Hi all, a significant breakthrough was (perhaps) achieved this evening, and a stane dyke of considerable proportions demolished IF the name Patrick could be reasonably changed to Peter, after the birth of my gr.gr.grandfather and his sister in the 1820s, and found on all documents thereafter.
The evidence seems to be conclusive, re. censi, DCs etc. but it would be comforting to hear of another example. The gentleman concerned lived in Kilmelford in Argyll and was variously titled "slate quarrier, grieve", or "factor´s clerk".

Could the name Patrick have been construed as socially less acceptable? About this time, there were eight Peters to every Patrick christened with the surname Campbell.

Hoping for positive replies here!

Thrall

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:25 am

Hello Thrall

I dont have any Patricks in my lot of long lost deid punters, and only a handfull of Peters

So I cant make any comparisons.

There is the possibility that the name was changed from Patrick to Peter due to the Irish/Catholic connection/connotation. Religion did play a part in the lives of folk back then and that Irish/Catholic connection could have been a barrier to employment. I do have a cousin whose paternal line is Neil but when I found a few generations for her, it turned out that the original name was O'Neill, but that change in the name didnt happen until later than your chap. This change happened in the 1870's.

This is probably not much help to you, but just an idea that popped into ma heid.

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:59 am

Hi Thrall,

Peter and Patrick are totally interchangeable. I have a Peter/Patrick in my ancestors whose name changes to and from Peter and Patrick on various documents through his life. Peter is the Anglicised form and Parick is the Irish version.

All the best,

AndrewP

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:51 am

I have a couple of Patricks to Peters in my tree too. Mine were Isishmen and I thought they changed it to 'fit in'.

Nina

Post by **AnneM** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:51 pm

Hi

In my tree and my kids' tree there are several Patrick/Peter combinations. All of mine are Scots through and through.

Anne

Thrall · Post by **Thrall** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:30 pm

Thank you all for your confirmation of the Patrick/Peter name swop. What I have found since yesterday, is that Patrick (Alexander) Campbell b.1801 Kilmelford, had a brother Patrick (Archibald) Campbell, b.1811 Kilmelford, same parents, so obviously plenty of room for confusion there. The younger one, who didn´t die young, at least not very otherwise I would not be here, turns up as Peter on his widow´s DC and also both his children´s DCs.

This has been a three year battle, so I´m feeling pretty chuffed.......

.......the male line was the shortest on my tree until yesterday!

Guid hunting,

Thrall

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:38 pm

$\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

Fantastic news!

Nina

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:57 pm

Hi Thrall

As a slate quarrier he was in the right part of the country. The Isles of Luing and Seil produced huge amounts of slate and most of their labour force were Irish originally.

The Scots were most original in their naming of children weren't they

No wonder you had problems

Russell

Thrall · Post by **Thrall** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:55 am

Hi Russell, I went to Easdale a couple of years ago to refresh my memory thirty years after my first visit and it is a remarkable place, with much to see: http://www.slate.org.uk/historyeasdale.htm ; of course I found nothing in the '41 and ´51 censi on display, but now I expect to take another, better look on Freecen.

I feel so relieved at sorting this out, and the variety of names of the two Patricks´siblings is amazing; Barbara "Moor" Campbell, Alise Campbell and a Colina which I suspect is not unconnected with my own (adopted) patronymic, Kolbeinsson.

Thanks too Ninatoo, you obviously appreciate the "rush" one gets from a little decisive demolition!.......

Thrall

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:40 am

Yes I do Thrall. I am hot on the trail of such a demolition at the moment with my Granelli family in England, so I am imagining myself in your shoes soon, hopefully!

Just another little snippet for you to file away in case you need it...I have Campbell in my tree too, (like everyone else), but my Campbell started life as McCallion. She was Irish, and apparently when those of that name came to Scotland, they often adopted the surname Campbell.

Nina