John Johnstone

Post by **HeatherH** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:49 pm

Hi there,
I have posted an image of a manifest for John Johnstone and family #17-21. Can anyone read the address in column 11 for "The name and complete address of nearest relative or friend in country whence alien came"
I can read Mother Mrs. R.W. Johnstone F???? Kyles of Bute Scot.
Any idea what the F word is .I know the family lived in Dunoon, Inellen, Tighnabruiach and Auchenlochan if that helps.

Thanks a bunch,
HeatherH (the geographically challenged)

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1116

Montrose Budie · Post by **Montrose Budie** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:06 pm

ROFL, - my first reaction was "Forfarshire".......

Second reaction was "Ferguslie", and similarly third and fourth reactions ....... and Ferguslie is mostly known as a district in Paisley, not that far from the Kyles of Butes, but defintutely not the same place.

On the other hand a Google produces the address "Ferguslie Street Sandbank Dunoon" - anyone any idea on how close Sandbank is to the Kyles of Bute ?? it can't be far away - a kyle in Scotland is a narrow passage of water between two areas of land, in this case the Cowal peninsula and the Isle of Bute.

David

Rockford · Post by **Rockford** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:07 pm

It looks like Ferguslie, but maybe that's just the ten years I spent in Paisley playing tricks.........

Could it be a Customs Official's best guess at a placename - I've seen a few Edenboroughs and New Shamokin = New Stevenston

Brian

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:10 pm

Rockford wrote:It looks like Ferguslie, but maybe that's just the ten years I spent in Paisley playing tricks.........

....snipped ...... Brian

Gonnae clarify that, but

David

Post by **HeatherH** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:11 am

Thanks for that .
Ferguslie was the best we could come up with as well but Paisley was not quite next door to the Kyles, however I know Sandbank was indeed one of the past residences for this family. In 1891 they are on Shore Road in Dunoon.
Yipee.
HeatherH

Post by **AnneM** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:23 pm

Hi

The only problem with that is that Sandbank is not on the Kyles of Bute or even for that matter very near it! Ferguslie Street there certainly is but it goes down to the Holy Loch on the Firth of Clyde.

I can't see it as Ferguslie but could be wrong and can't decide what it actually is.

Anne

I wonder if the name is a name of a house in Tighnabruaich, which is on the Kyles of Bute. Can't think of a place near there which matches. Definitely starts with an F.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:04 am

Hi Heather

I wonder if it is the name of a house or farm since almost all other entries give an actual street name and number.

It certainly looks like Ferguslie . The 'g' is exactly the same as in the Kilgour on line 11 and the word finishes in a clearly dotted 'i' and 'e'.

It would need a long hunt through the Ordinance Survey map to see if there was a holding or farm by that name. Its a long bit of coastline to check out.

Russell

IanS · Post by **IanS** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:17 am

Hi Heather, As Russell says, all the others are addresses, so try Ferguslie, Tighnabruich.

www.old-maps.co.uk gives this as the full address. Just Ferguslie, Tighnabruiach. Couldn't see it on their map, but it may show up on other ordinance survey maps.

It's now a B and B. Anyone up for a phone call? I think it's feasible a house of the same name has stood there for 100 yrs.

Edited. There's a 63 yr old female in Kilfinan district in the 1901 census (free search) under John*on*-- Johns mother? Her Initial isn't 'R' but 'R W' were probably her husbands initials.

Post by **HeatherH** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:38 pm

Hello Ian,
In 1891 Mary Ann Johnstone MS Clark is living at Shore Road Dunoon & Kilmun Inellen Argyll with her 3 children .

Mary Johnstone Head W Private Means Ayrshire Ayr
Mary M Johnstone Dau Unmar 16 Confectioners Asst. Lanarkshire Glasgow
John C Johnstone Son Unmar 11 Scholar Australia
William Johnstone Son Unmar Argyllshire Innellen

John Marries Isabella Newport in 1901 in Blythswood and its him and his children who you see on the manifest.
Mary Maben Whyte Johnstone married John Colin Simpson in 1897 and they are in Dingwall on the 1901 census however they eventually move to Tighnabruiach and Mary Ann her mum moves in with her just before she dies in 1933.
I know my grandfather William gives his address in WW1 as Auchenlochan in Argyll.

The Mrs R.W. Johnstone on the manifest is indeed his fathers name of Robert Whyte Johnstone who died 14 Feb 1885.
However I have not been able to find Mary Ann Johnstone and son William on the 1901 census .

You mentioned "Edited. There's a 63 yr old female in Kilfinan district in the 1901 census (free search) under John*on*-- Johns mother? Her Initial isn't 'R' but 'R W' were probably her husbands initials."

I am not sure if I have seen this entry. I started looking for them in Dunoon in Argyll but eventually broadened my search in case they had gone to live with another member of Mary Ann's family. I know Mary Ann had money either from her husbands death or her fathers which explains her lack of occupation on the 1891 census. On William birth cert in 1889 she is listed as a fancy goods merchant.
I have to agree the best I could figure looking at the other letter formations on the manifest the address seems to be Ferguslie but I couldn't find anything to match in Argyll or the Kyles.
Was it still common in the 1900s to use a house name as an Address?
If so then this could be her.I will have to heat up the ol' plastic and have another boo on SP and see if anything starts to fit.
Thanks for your help.
HeatherH

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:19 pm

Was it still common in the 1900s to use a house name as an Address?

It's still common nowadays in Scotland.

My in-laws address is F___ Cottage, ____stone the only concession to modern times is a post code at the end!

In my village the original houses [ once standing alone] are known just by their house name unless a street was built around them.