Where was she born?

Brenda · Post by **Brenda** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:56 am

In the 1841 /51 /61 Census records it states that Janet McCracken [ nee McCreadie] dgt. of John & Janet McCreadie [ nee Fergie,] wife of John McCracken, was born abt 1880 Ballantrae AYR

However, the IGI 1822 marriage record between Janet McCreadie and James Vint says she was born in Glasgow?

Her death cert. Dec 27th 1873 gives her age as only 66 , widow of 1. James Vint. 2 John McCracken

Her daughter Helen Vint, appears in all the Census.

Apart from the obvious age discrepancy on her death cert why would the Census show her birthlace as Ballantrae, yet the MC to James Vint shows her born Glasgow.

Do you think I have the correct Janet McCreadie?

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:19 am

Brenda

Just be aware that the IGI 1822 marriage is an LDS submission so caution may be necessary.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:15 am

Hi Brenda,
Glad to see you haven't thrown your hands up in despair over this family yet! Here's another thought: Helen Vent (spelled like that) died in the City Poorhouse in Glasgow on 15 August 1875, age 50. Parents given are James Vent and Janet Vent M.S. McCready, both deceased. Given the amount of wonderful information that can sometimes come from the Poorhouse applications, it might be worth taking a look, next time Some Kind Soul goes to the Mitchell Library. No guarantee, but you just might get that one tidbit of information that makes it all come together

All the best,
Sarah

Brenda · Post by **Brenda** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:22 am

Hi Sarah & Stewie,

Thanks for your input. I tell you , my head hurts from banging against so many brickwalls

Take care

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:40 am

Hi Brenda,
Re the 1822 marriage in the IGI for James VINT & Janet McCREADIE.
You'll have noticed that it was "about 1822, Glasgow" - no definite date.
Likewise for Janet's birth of "about 1802 Glasgow"
As Stewie mentions, you sometimes have to treat LDS submissions with caution.
Many though do have correct and excellent info.

But in this case the submitter probably presumed Janet was born Glasgow because she most likely married there.
(Maybe the Glasgow births of children Helen Vint 1824 & James Vint 1825 had an influence on that thought)
It would seem that there was never any in-depth search for Janet in later years (ie - the censuses).
You've got Janet 1841 as born Ayrshire, 1851 & 1861 as born Ballantrae.
So it's a very good chance that Janet was born in Ballantrae, and not Glasgow!
--
As Sarah said, no harm in looking for a Poor Relief record; especially when someone dies in the Poorhouse.
Just a short one this, and doesn't give much more than you already know of Helen.
Poor soul, for some reason now blind. Possibly caused by some illness?
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Barony Poor Relief Application. D-HEW 14/52. Page 35555. No. 6409. District 3.
Applied - 3pm 8 April 1874.
Helen VENT.
46 Cumberland St. top. Fisher. [top flat - Fisher probably the owner or tenant]
Born Rose St. S.S. [South Side]
Cause of application - Blindness.
Single. 49yrs. Domestic Servant. Protestant.
Parents - James VENT, pattern maker & Janet McCREADY both dead.
Wholly disabled.
1st application. Supposed Settlement - Glasgow. [meaning responsibilty will probably be Glasgow Parish]
Remarks - First application to a Parish.
Proceedings,
12 Apr 1874 - notice to Glasgow. [Barony wrote to Glasgow saying their responsibilty]
15 Apr 1874 - Po. Ho. [Poor House]
13 May 1874 - admitted by Glasgow. [replied saying that they are responsible for Helen]
13 May 1874 - 8 / 5 / 74. Send home. [meaning send Helen to our (Glasgow) Parish]
Page 2, Asst. Inspector's report. 11am 10 April 1874.
Helen VENT, 46 Cumberland St. Top. Fisher.
Is aged 49 born Rose St, Hutchesontown. Single. Domestic servant & Protestant.
Parents - James VENT, pattern maker & Janet McCREADY both dead.
Residences,
Present house - Barony 8 days.
Prior - 20 Stockwell Place. McCracken - Glasgow 1 yr.
Prior - 32 Argyle St. with mother - Glasgow 1 yr 3 mos.
Prior - 18 North Albion St. Factor Metcalf - 15 yrs.
Application made from this person by Miss Clark 15 Elmbank St,
Gave line for Medical Officer to Report.
Complaint - Blindness. A decent person in lodgings.
11 April 1874 - Applies for Relief.
Notice to Glasgow.
Gave 3/-
A half brother John McCracken, foreman baker at ??ups? Bakery.
House of call Stockwell Place.
----(end of record)----
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Jack

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:59 am

Hi Jack,
Poor soul indeed. I wonder what happened to her illegitimate son? Perhaps he died young also-- the last we found him with her was in 1871, age 15. She died just 4 years later of a cerebral hemorrhage at only 50 years old.

Thanks for looking that up-- sad though it is

Regards,
Sarah

Brenda · Post by **Brenda** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:51 am

Hi Jack

Thank you so much for looking that up, I felt rather sad when I read it, and wondered why her half brother John didn't have her stay with him..but then he had young children, his first wife had died , who knows what circumstances led to this such a sad end for this young woman.

The data you provided confirms that I am at least on the right track with this frustrating family, as there is a mention of 20 Stockwell Place which was the address on the marriage certificate for Janet's son, John McCracken's 2nd marriage to Elizabeth Gibben June 1874 and where Janet died Dec 27th 1873

Thanks again

Brenda

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