mcgillivray

natasha · Post by **natasha** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:44 pm

trying to find parents of a malcolm mcgillivray born around 1840 scotland, travveled to australia and married jane wison in tasmania, died 1912 campbell town, tasmania,australia

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:18 pm

Hi Natasha
Have you any details from his death, such as parent's names? Maybe, if you don't already have it, his marriage to Jane Wilson could contain some further information too. Do you know when they married? Do have names for their children? (There are often clues in the children's names too.)

Best wishes
Lesley

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:38 pm

Hi Natasha

Before you waste too much money on scotlandspeople, can I warn you that the name McGillivray has more variations than I ever thought possible.
My wife and I searched for months for her elusive relatives and managed ultimately by searching using a wildcard set of M*cGil*v*r*.
Sometimes it is written as Mc at other times Mac.
Possible variants are Gilvra, Gilvray, Gilveray, Gilverey, Gillvra, Gillvray, Gillveray, Gillverey, Gilliveray, Gilliverey, Gillivray, Gillivaray.

McGilvra was the common spelling on Colonsay.
McGilliveray was more common on the mainland.

The harder the search sometimes, the more satisfaction once you have tracked them down.

Russell

momat · Post by **momat** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:54 am

Again on the IGI site is this but it states he was born in Australia
Malcolm MCGILLIVRAY
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
1841 <Oatlands, Tasmania, Australia>
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: Jane WILSON Family
Marriage:
31 OCT 1865 Oatlands, Tasmania, Australia
Could he be the right one?

natasha · Post by **natasha** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:48 pm

hi guys,
thank you so much for the tips, who would of thought that there were so many ways to spell one name!!!!!!!!!! a few people are researching him and i have him being born glasgow,strathclyde, found him (or it fits in with his birth year) on shipping indexes as coming to australia in 1862 on "heather bell", have 12 children listed for him and jane, they were married in 1865 in tasmania, they had a lot of their children in the oatlands area so i wonder if this is why he is listed on igi as being born oatlands? one of his daughters was mary jane who is my mother in laws grandmother have looked on one of the opr's but there were a couple born around the same time and i have no idea how to figure out which one is the right one

. their children
1. margaret
2. mary jane
3. louisa
4. adelaide augustus
5. francis grace
6. alexandria
7. patience hope chariot
8. malcolm edward
9. rachael buist
10. wilhemine
11. catherine rebecca
12. alexander william wilson

thanks again for all the tips you are all angels =D>

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Hi natasha

The IGI record is a record submitted by a member of the LDS church & is no doubt wishful thinking (someone who didn't have a clue

). The AVRI (Australian Vital Records Index - church & civil records) does not have his birth in Tasmania. If he followed the Scottish naming patterns when naming his children his mother would be Mary (or Mary Jane) and his father Malcolm (2nd daughter and 1st son)

Trish

natasha · Post by **natasha** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:47 am

hi trish1,
thankyou very much, gives me a bit more to go on, i have been caught before with wishful thinking and it only put you 10 steps behind. Will re check the opr's and see if these names come up as parents
thanks again

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:56 am

I should have mentioned - given that they had so many daughters - the third daughter should have been named after the mother and she wasn't, so perhaps Jane was not Scottish & thus not interested in the naming rules. You may find, however that many of the girls may be named after siblings (of either parent) - or partners of siblings - e.g. Rachel Buist could be after a sister of either of the couple who married a Mr Buist. If you have some possible births in Scotland, check for siblings as well, for some of these names.

Trish

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:54 am

Trish wrote

trish1 wrote:I should have mentioned... You may find, however that many of the girls may be named after siblings (of either parent) - or partners of siblings - e.g. Rachel Buist could be after a sister of either of the couple who married a Mr Buist.

Trish

This is something I have recently noticed in searching for my lang deid yins, it threw me for a while until I realised what was happening.

There are not many Malcolms born c1840 in Scotland on the BVRI but there is this possibility.

MCGILVRAY, Malcom
Gender: Male
Birth Date: Jul 1839
Christening Date: 29 Feb 1840 Recorded in:Killarrow, Argyllshire, Scotland
Father: Hugh MCGILVRAY
Mother: Mary MCINTOSH
Source: FHL Film 1041078 Dates: 1768 - 1855

Plus these two others

MCGILVRAY, Malcom
Gender: Male
Birth Date: Oct 1838
Christening Date: 19 Nov 1838 Recorded in:Killarrow, Argyllshire, Scotland
Father: Charles MCGILVRAY
Mother: Barbara CLARKE
Source: FHL Film 1041078 Dates: 1768 - 1855

MCGILVRAY, Malcom
Gender: Male
Birth Date: Sep 1840
Christening Date: 17 Nov 1854 Recorded in:Killarrow, Argyllshire, Scotland
Father: Malcom MCGILVRAY
Mother: Anne NIVEN
Source: FHL Film 1041078 Dates: 1768 - 1855
Note: Additional Data in Original Record

As you see they are all from Killarrow, Argyllshire.

Perhaps a hint could be in the 1841/1851 censuses, but as Russell said there may be quite a few of them. All the best with your searching.

natasha · Post by **natasha** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:14 pm

hi stewl,
thanks for the tips, havent looked through at census info yet not sure if my sanity will survive it with so many different ways to spell the one name

, as i have a few scottish ancestors out there i find it a bit confusing after a while (doesnt take much)...........
thanks again i wil look through census info and see what i can find.........................................