Hello
One of my forebears, William Paterson (stonemason/builder), owned a quarry during the late 1800s in either Hamilton or Glasgow. How can I determine the name and site of this quarry? Where would such records be held? Is there a trade or business directory to which I can refer and, if so, how can I gain access to it? I have been unable to find any such records online. Any help would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Rodeo
Help! Records re William Paterson, Quarry Owner
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Russell
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Hi Rodeo
When I looked at your query my first thought was 'that's like looking for a needle in a haystack' If you look at the old maps in the area they are absolutely littered with small scale coal mining sites, old mines, ironstone workings, quarries. Many of these were quite small scale and operated at a local level so may not have appeared in a trade directory.
Ther may be another way of approaching this though.
In Scotland ownership of land could included, or exclude, rights to any mineral lodes on that land. A plot of land could be feued with the rights to exploit minerals specifically excluded from the ownership document.
To give an example
The quote relates to the land on which my daughter's current flat still exists and could have been enacted by any of the subsequent Feu Superiors up to the abolition of the Feu system as there had been no alteration in this portion of the ownership details despite subsequent changes of Feu Superiors.
I would suggest that a search of the Land Registers for an Instrument of Sasine relating to William Patterson might be your best bet to establish a specific link.
You never know, you might still have some mineral rights if you in the direct line.
sometimes when a quarry was exhausted of usable stone it was left to become overgrown and the land retained as part of a larger estate.
Russell
When I looked at your query my first thought was 'that's like looking for a needle in a haystack' If you look at the old maps in the area they are absolutely littered with small scale coal mining sites, old mines, ironstone workings, quarries. Many of these were quite small scale and operated at a local level so may not have appeared in a trade directory.
Ther may be another way of approaching this though.
In Scotland ownership of land could included, or exclude, rights to any mineral lodes on that land. A plot of land could be feued with the rights to exploit minerals specifically excluded from the ownership document.
To give an example
Lots more detail specific to that land sale follows., including relief of a portion of Feu duties if such free stone is removed.'In the Land Register of Scotland - An Instrument of Sasine recorded G.R. 7 March 1793 on Feu Cantract containing Feu Disposition by Trustees of Jean Milliken alias Naper to Archibald Hall and his heirs..........contains the following burdens:
Reserving always to said Jean Milliken alias Napier, her heirs and successors full power and liberty ......to dig and work free stone on any part of the aforesaid piece of ground............'
The quote relates to the land on which my daughter's current flat still exists and could have been enacted by any of the subsequent Feu Superiors up to the abolition of the Feu system as there had been no alteration in this portion of the ownership details despite subsequent changes of Feu Superiors.
I would suggest that a search of the Land Registers for an Instrument of Sasine relating to William Patterson might be your best bet to establish a specific link.
You never know, you might still have some mineral rights if you in the direct line.
sometimes when a quarry was exhausted of usable stone it was left to become overgrown and the land retained as part of a larger estate. Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
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Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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AnneM
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If he was a quarry owner did he leave a will? That might specify the location of the quarry. There is a William Paterson mason in Hamilton who dies in 1853 spouse of Margaret Paton or a William Paterson mason in East Kilbride dying in 1884. Either of these likely to be yours?
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Researching M(a)cKenzie, McCammond, McLachlan, Kerr, Assur, Renton, Redpath, Ferguson, Shedden, Also Oswald, Le/assels/Lascelles, Bonning just for starters
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Hi Russell and Anne
Thanks so much for your replies.
Yes, Russell, I do feel that it's a bit like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. Ideally, I would search the land registers if I were in Scotland but I am based in Australia and know of no way, unfortunately, to do a remote search. I have been told recently, though, that one can hire Burgh Sasine records through the FHL.
Yes, Anne, the William Paterson you mention (mason/builder, spouse of Margaret Paton) is my GGG grandfather. Actually, he died in 1858 (not 1853) and he did indeed leave a will, a copy of which I have, but there is no reference to a quarry in it.
The William Paterson, quarry owner, about whom I made the query is, in fact, the son of this William Paterson. He died in 1906, so his will is not indexed on SP. I presume he left a will, though, as did all the male members of that family.
Incidentally, the other William Paterson of East Kilbride you mention is also a family ancestor.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Rodeo
Thanks so much for your replies.
Yes, Russell, I do feel that it's a bit like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. Ideally, I would search the land registers if I were in Scotland but I am based in Australia and know of no way, unfortunately, to do a remote search. I have been told recently, though, that one can hire Burgh Sasine records through the FHL.
Yes, Anne, the William Paterson you mention (mason/builder, spouse of Margaret Paton) is my GGG grandfather. Actually, he died in 1858 (not 1853) and he did indeed leave a will, a copy of which I have, but there is no reference to a quarry in it.
The William Paterson, quarry owner, about whom I made the query is, in fact, the son of this William Paterson. He died in 1906, so his will is not indexed on SP. I presume he left a will, though, as did all the male members of that family.
Incidentally, the other William Paterson of East Kilbride you mention is also a family ancestor.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Rodeo