LOOKUP REQUEST

q98 · Post by **q98** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:45 am

On behalf of a friend, I am searching for data to get him started on his genealogy. Seeking ANY data on the following individuals (this is all the information I have):

McCREADIE, John (father of both)
McCREADIE, Margaret born 26 June 1900
McCREADIE, Mary born 25 December 1905

1901 and 1911 Census would be ideal places to start as they would give other members in the household, ages, places of birth, etc.; ie. more clues to better refine his search. I have advised him of Scotlands People website. Despite the common Surname, I do not believe we are related.

Regards and many thanks.

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:49 am

Hi Jim,

You will either need patience or a crystal ball to find the 1911 census information just now. That remains closed untill 100 years have passed, so is not expected to be available until spring 2011.

All the best,

AndrewP

q98 · Post by **q98** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:56 am

DOH! Should have remember that.

Adding to my original enquiry.

Margaret was born in Rankinstone, Ayrshire. Her parents were John and Isabella (m.s. Rorke [mis-spelled "Rourke"?]) who were married 22 Aug 1890 at Dalmellington, Ayrshire.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:59 am

jim mccreadie wrote:DOH! Should have remember that.

Adding to my original enquiry.

Margaret was born in Rankinstone, Ayrshire. Her parents were John and Isabella (m.s. Rorke [mis-spelled "Rourke"?]) who were married 22 Aug 1890 at Dalmellington, Ayrshire.

There is a marriage entry on SP of a John McCreadie to Isabella Rourk. This should give their ages and parents names and you're on your way!

Kind regards,
Annette M

q98 · Post by **q98** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:41 am

Thanks Annette, I got the ME after posting my query. What I am really after, on behalf of my mate, are the 1891 and 1901 Census Returns for Dalmellington and Rankinstone respectively. This would allow him to refine his ScotlandsPeople searches for Margaret's siblings with a degree of accuracy. His McCreadie side have been in Australia for almost one hundred years.

Hopefully the 1891 Census for Dalmellington will show John and Isabella (m.s. "Rorke/Rourk/Rourke") as they married 22 Aug 1890 at Dalmellington, and the 1901 Census for Rankinstone will show John and Isabella and Margaret (b. 26 June 1900) and any other children born between 1890 and 1900. My mate knows of only one other sibling, a sister Mary born 25 Dec 1905, location unknown.

While on the topic of the McCreadie/Rorke Marriage Extract, it lists John's mother as QUOTE Agnes Graham previously McCreadie m.s. (unreadable) UNQUOTE. Would I be correct in asserting that:
a. her forenames were Agnes Graham
b. she was formerly married to a McCreadie
c. her maiden surname was "whatever" - I'll have to work it out.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:02 am

nelmit wrote:
jim mccreadie wrote:DOH! Should have remember that.

Adding to my original enquiry.

Margaret was born in Rankinstone, Ayrshire. Her parents were John and Isabella (m.s. Rorke [mis-spelled "Rourke"?]) who were married 22 Aug 1890 at Dalmellington, Ayrshire.
There is a marriage entry on SP of a John McCreadie to Isabella Rourk. This should give their ages and parents names and you're on your way!

Kind regards,
Annette M

That's the marriage mentioned on the 1900 birth register entry for wee Margaret. I'd read the bride's name as RORKE, but I supect a clerical error as the parents' name is clearly ROURK.

It's Rankinston, which must only have been created as a registration district in the 1890s, - it's based on a mining village 12 miles SE of Ayr, and previously largely dependent on the Littlemill pit, now closed.

ScotlandsPeople also has the marriage of one sets of parents shown on the 1890 marriage register entry, including a connection to Ballantrae

The other marriage is not so easy to find as the 1890 bride was not registered with just the name shown in 1890 ...... but a swing via the 1901 census will produce her place of birth, and likely years of birth ...... just watch out as well for spelling variations.

David

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:22 am

DavidWW wrote:It's Rankinston, which must only have been created as a registration district in the 1890s, - it's based on a mining village 12 miles SE of Ayr, and previously largely dependent on the Littlemill pit, now closed.

Rankinston registration district seems to have been split from Coylton in 1893 and existed until 1968, when they were both amalgamated into another district (Ayr?).

All the best,

AndrewP

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:41 am

Hhmm...... later ..... I'm no longer so sure about that Scottish marriage register entry, as there may be a mismatch between a maiden name in 1890 and the earlier marriage register entry.

Jim wrote:Hopefully the 1891 Census for Dalmellington will show John and Isabella (m.s. "Rorke/Rourk/Rourke") as they married 22 Aug 1890 at Dalmellington, and the 1901 Census for Rankinstone will show John and Isabella and Margaret (b. 26 June 1900) and any other children born between 1890 and 1900. My mate knows of only one other sibling, a sister Mary born 25 Dec 1905, location unknown.

There's 3 siblings in 1901, but be prepared for a geographic shift in 1891 !

Jim wrote:While on the topic of the McCreadie/Rorke Marriage Extract, it lists John's mother as QUOTE Agnes Graham previously McCreadie m.s. (unreadable) UNQUOTE. Would I be correct in asserting that:
a. her forenames were Agnes Graham
b. she was formerly married to a McCreadie

Not quite, - she's married to Mr GRAHAM in 1890, having previously been married to Mr McCREADIE...........

Jim wrote:c. her maiden surname was "whatever" - I'll have to work it out.

I definitely go for "whatever"

- I've played about with every possible ending that I see quite clearly from the name, but nary a matching surname can I come up with, and remember that SP allows leading wildcards......... it looks like Mc??c[k/l]atess, most probably an "h" given the way the registrar forms his "k" and "h" .......... the ?? could be "L?" or mabe "Q?......................."

David

q98 · Post by **q98** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:08 am

David
Are you able to advise the three siblings and any other data relating to them please? Did you find them on a Census?

Aye, it's almost impossible to discern that Surname, isn't it. I'll eliminate each letter (read "play around") until I get it but suspect it's not a very common surname.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:35 am

jim mccreadie wrote:David
Are you able to advise the three siblings and any other data relating to them please? Did you find them on a Census?

1901, - Sarah, born a fair distance from Dalmellington, well outside the county, forbye

; Agnes, & Bella, but beware that I haven't checked the births to see that this is the correct John and Isabella ......... I'm 99%+ certain but I've seen some curious coincidences in my time .........

jim mccreadie wrote:Aye, it's almost impossible to discern that Surname, isn't it. I'll eliminate each letter (read "play around") until I get it but suspect it's not a very common surname.

I suspect there's also an ear of the hearer effect, i.e. the spelling shown ain't the actual spelling. From another record, I was expecting McKissock, but that's pushing it

David