John Jardine - Can't Find His Death!

[darylrodger]

Hi,

Can anyone help me with this brickwall ?

I'm trying to find the death of John Jardine, (Farmer) b. 1806 in Fintry, Stirlingshire. He was married to Margaret Cowan on 2nd Feb 1835, and by the time she died in 1893 on the 28th Sept, he was deceased. I've tried SP, but without success. That means he could have died prior to 1855.

Thanks,

Daryl

[AndrewP]

Hi Daryl,

Have you found any sign of them, or her as a widow, in the censuses of 1841 to 1891? Finding them, or her alone, in the censuses would help you narrow down a range of years for his death.

All the best,

AndrewP

[LesleyB]

Hi Daryl
Did they have any children? That can sometimes give an estimation of the date of death some years later than the marriage date. The latest child I'm seeing to a couple of that name is on IGI is:
ALEXANDER JARDINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 DEC 1850 Fintry, Stirling, Scotland

If this is the correct family and there is no sign whatsoever of a death after 1855 on SP, then it probably narrows down the death to between 1850-54
In which case you will probably want to get hold of the following microfilm from your local LDS centre, or Family History Society as he may be listed there:

480. FINTRY
480/1 B 1659-1744 M - D -
480/2 B 1747-1819 * M 1667-1819 D -
480/3 B 1820-54* M 1820-54 D 1841-54
480/4 * Separate index to B 1748-1854
Best wishes
Lesley

[AndrewP]

Hi Daryl,

A parent search on the online IGI names seven children born to this couple between 1835 and 1850, the youngest given by Lesley above.

Often the children's ages are less dubious than the adults' ages on the censuses. Try searching for them by the youngest child first - generally the most likely to be nearest the truth in age.

If you search for Alexander Jardine, age 9 to 13 in the 1861 census, one stands out from the crowd for you out of the eleven results.

All the best,

AndrewP

[claudette]

Hi Daryl

I've found John Jardine on Ancestry's censuses for 1841, 1851 and 1871, so he was alive in 1871, assuming this is your John Jardine.

In 1841 he lived at Newtown Hors Street, Fintry. He was 35 and lived with Margaret, 25 and their 3 children - William aged 6, Isabella aged 3 and James aged 10 months. They also had Peter Ferguson, an agricultural labourer aged 15 and Margaret McNab, an M.S. (?) aged 15 living with them.

In 1851, he lived at Bogside, Fintry. He said he was born around 1803 and was a farmer of 450 acres employing 6 labourers. He lived with his wife Margaret aged 41 and 8 children - Alexander aged 4 months, Andrew aged 2, Isabella aged 13, James aged 10, John aged 7, Peter aged 5 and William aged 15. They also had John Blackwood, an agricultural labourer aged 17; Margaret Donaldson, a house maid aged 19; Jane Henderson, a general servant aged 17; Dugald McColl, a shepherd aged 23; James McNab, a ploughman aged 21 and Finlay McNaughton, a cowherd aged 13 living with them.

In 1871, he was living at No 15 Bogside Farm, Fintry and said he was 69 years. He lived with his wife Margaret and 6 children - Alexander aged 20, Andrew aged 22, Isabella aged 32, John aged 28, Peter aged 26 and William aged 34. Ann Waldie, a domestic servant aged 24 also lived with them.

Is this of any interest?

Regards
Claudette

[AndrewP]

and Margaret McNab, an M.S. (?) aged 15 living with them.

The M.S. should have been a male servant, but as it was applied to Margaret, I would hazard a guess at maid servant. See http://www.talkingscot.com/censuses/census-1841.htm for the list of standard abbreviations the enumerators were instructed to use in that census.

All the best,

AndrewP

[claudette]

Hi Daryl

Further investigation shows that in the 1881 census, Margaret Jardine, now aged 70, describes herself as "Late Farmers Wife" and she is the head of the household at Bogside Farm, Fintry.

Living with her at the farm are her children - Alexander aged 28, Andrew aged 30, Isabella aged 41, John aged 36 and Peter aged 33. All the boys were employed on the farm. They also have Jean McMillan, aged 40 and a domestic servant, living with them. I haven't checked to see what happened to all the other children.

So that would imply that your John Jardine died sometime between 1871 and 1881.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes
Claudette

[claudette]

Hi Daryl

It's me again!

If you search in Scotlands People under Wills and Testaments - specify the names John Jardine and the search years 1871 to 1881, then you get the answer to when he died. There are 2 documents there for your man and the information gives you his date of death.

Best wishes
Claudette

[AndrewP]

Hi Daryl,

His death is there on ScotlandsPeople, mis-indexed as James Jardine, when the certificate clearly says John. You should complete a contact form and advise them so that the index can be updated. Also, if you have lost credits by searching for John, advise them and they may refund you some credits.

All the best,

AndrewP

[darylrodger]

Hi,

Wow! Thanks to everyone who gave advice on John Jardine. I found his death certificate which gave his d.o.b. etc. As the certificate gives details of his parents, I had a look for them, and found their marriage in May 1801 plus all his siblings! Now the hunt is on to find his father William's birth etc. . .

Thanks again.

Regards,

Daryl