McIlhenneyy/Heaney - How to proceed

[anice]

Trying to find where my ggrandmother and her siblings would have been placed after the deaths of their parents in 1860.

Tried 1861 Census on S.P. but with her surname being spelt 13 different ways on various certs. it is a daunting task.

Mary b.c. 1850/1 Glasgow - m. 1873 St. Alphonsus Glasgow - d. 1927 Newcraighall.

Any suggestions as to how to proceed finding her between
1861 - 1873 and/or any of her siblings would be great.

SIBLINGS:

Patrick b.c. 1840 - Donegal
John b.c. 1842 - Donegal ( Signed mother's D.C. as McElhaney)
Robert b.c. 1848 - Glasgow ( Married 1868 Glasgow - 1871 Census Dyers Lane Calton as Hainey)
Mary b.c. 1850/1 - Glasgow
Alexander b. 1852 - Glasgow
Jane b. 1857 - Glasgow ( 1881 Census Barony as Haney)

Anita

[emanday]

Hi Anita,

I can fully empathize with you on the spelling issue and I know many others on this forum will as well. Many of our ancestors were either illiterate or had accents not familiar to the registrars and they could only write what they heard, sometimes not too accurately.

Making good use of the wildcard facility can often help a lot and, luckily enough, Scotlands People allow a leading wildcard. This could help with the McElhaney one and the Hainey/Haney conflict (i.e. enter *ha*ney).

It isn't even unusual to have two or more different spellings for the same family on a certificate

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
These are possibles for Mary & Jane, but their four brothers are proving difficult.
Did they all survive to adulthood?
What were their occupations?
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1861 census (Glasgow St Johns - Bridgeton)
Catholic Orphan Institution.
Mary HENEY, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Jean HENEY, 6, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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There's this John of the right age, but he's as born Glasgow.
What year did John McELHANEY sign his mother's DC?
Any addresses on it?
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1861 census 644-4 Ed 67 p 2 (Glasgow - Calton)
1 Well Street.
John McALHANNEY, head, 18, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
George WILSON, lodger, 19, baker, b Monkland.
Margaret WILSON, lodger, 18, -------b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack

[anice]

Hi Jack-----Thank you so much for your reply, I'm sure that's my Mary and her sister.

All I know of Patrick, John and Alexander comes from a Poor Law application made by their father Peter dated March 29th 1853.

Reads:

Patrick 13yrs. b. Donegal
John 11 yrs b. Donegal
Robert 5 yrs. b. King Street Calton
Mary 2 yrs. b. 9 Hatters Close
Alexander 5 months b. " "

The following day John was removed to Infirmary - left leg amputated.

Address at time of application Hatter Close

John Signed his mother Sarah McElhaney's (nee Hughes) death cert. June 1860 address at this time 8 Rutherglen Loan District of Hutchesontown. Sarah buried Dalbeth Cemetery.

Robert married Catherine Sheridan at St. Andrews Chapel Great Clyde Street on 7th July 1868 - Address for both 71, King Street. I found Robert on 1871 Census at 1 Dyer Lane Calton - occupation - Rivetter marr. cert. gives occuption as same Rivetter Journeyman, This family do not appear to be in Scotland by the 1881 Census, unless I've lost them with all the various spellings.

Patrick likely was gone from home by 1860. Alexander may not have reached adulthood. Jane - 1881 Census Barony 142, Port Dundas - occupation - Machinist


Thanks again - you made my day

Anita

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
Not sure, but you may already have the family in 1851?
Some ages don't quite match the 1853 Poor Relief application.
And the boys are still proving very elusive in 1861....
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1851 census 644-1 (558) Ed 3 pp 8-9 (College, or Blackfriars)
9 Hatters Close.
Patrick MUCKLEHANAH, head, 25, labourer, b Ireland
Sarah MUCKLEHANAH, wife, 30, -------------b Ireland
Patrick MUCKLEHANAH, son, 7, -------------b Ireland
John MUCKLEHANAH, son, 5, ---------------b Ireland
Robert MUCKLEHANAH, son, 2, -----------b Glasgow, LKS
Mary MACKLEHANAH, daur, 1 mo, ------b Glasgow, LKS
William LIMERICK, lodger, 58, porter, b Ireland
Rebecca LIMERICK, wife, 56, ---------b Ireland

The name is MUCKLEHANAH, except wee Mary (at top of page 9),
who is as MACKLEHANAH.
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1853 Poor Relief application.
>Patrick 13yrs. b. Donegal
>John 11 yrs b. Donegal
>Robert 5 yrs. b. King Street Calton
>Mary 2 yrs. b. 9 Hatters Close
>Alexander 5 months b. " "
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I know you have this for Robert & Catherine - it's just to compare names etc.
And seems an LDS member has some interest in wee Jeanie born 1879.

ROBERT HEANY
CATHERINE SHERIDAN
Marriage: 17 JUL 1868 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
~some children~
ANNIE HEANY - Birth: 05 SEP 1869 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark
SARAH HEANEY - Birth: 13 JUN 1871 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark
ROBERT HEANEY - Birth: 16 MAR 1874 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark
Jeanie Wilson Heaney - Birth: 17 OCT 1879 (married Hugh Cameron abt 1895 Glasgow) [LDS submission]

1871 census 644-4 Ed 12 p 18 (Calton)
1 Dyers Lane.
Robert HAINEY, head, 23, rivetter, b Glasgow, LKS
Catherine HAINEY, wife, 22, ----------------b Glasgow, LKS
Annie HAINEY, daur, 12 mos?--------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Dennis SHERIDAN, father-in-law, 50, labourer, b Ireland
Thomas SHERIDAN, nephew, 5, --------------------b Glasgow, LKS
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1881 Census: Hedworth, Monkton & Jarrow; Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342211
Public Records Office Ref RG11; Piece/Folio 5028/60; Page 35
20 Lyon Lane, South Shields.
Robert HENERY, Head M Male 32 b. Glasgow, Scotland, Boiler Maker
Catherin HENERY, Wife M Female 31 b. Glasgow, Scotland
Ann HENERY, Daur U Female 11 b. Glasgow, Scotland, Scholar
Sarah HENERY, Daur U Female 9 b. Glasgow, Scotland, Scholar
Jane HENERY, Daur U Female 2 b. Glasgow, Scotland, Scholar
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Jack
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Edited to correct the names in 1851.

[anice]

Hi Jack,


Thank you for all the added terrific information. I did not have the 1851 Census, I had tried ordering various 1851 Glasgow Census records from our local LDS Library obviously not the right films.

The information on Robert is great and I will follow up on it through Scotlands People and English records on dates available to me.

I think there is a strong possibility that the John McAlhanney (1851) is Mary's brother judging by the use of the name WILSON both in Jeanie Wilson Heaney and one Mary Heaney Wilson b. 1921 Newcraighall I have in my notes to research if and when I visit Scotland

Found a Mary McIlhenney 20yrs. b. Patrick or Ireland applying for Poor Law b. 1850 applied 1870 Vol - D-HEW 10/4/41 No. 306 might be worth sending for a copy from Mitchell Library?

I'm so happy with all the new info. on this family and appreciate all you've done on my behalf.

Anita

[JustJean]

Hi Anita

I'd just like to thank you for posting a question that Jack could spring into action on He's been awfy silent for some weeks now and I've fair missed reading one of his wonderful census deductions.

Best wishes
Jean

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Namesake!

Ditto

I just love reading Jack's census findings.

He taught me many months ago about the benefits of the censuses.

Without his help I would be stuck on two of my lines.

A big cheer for Jack =D> =D> =D>

Best wishes
Jean

[anice]

Hi Both Jean's


I cannot agree more - Jack is fabulous, he did a fantastic job re. breaking down my brickwall, one I've had since the late 80's, now motivated to work more on this family.


Hi Mary

Thank you for your input, I'll remember it as I try finding more info.


Regards

Anita

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
Re Poor Relief application D-HEW 10/4/41. Page 306. 14 Nov 1870.
It was marked as a False Statement.
Sorry to say that Mary McILHENNEY (20) isn't "yours".
But you never know, she may be related somehow.
Anyhow, she applied on 14 Nov 1870 as,

Margaret DAVIDSON (20), born Partick.
Parents - James DAVIDSON, farmer & Margaret McILHANEY, both dead.

On 17 Nov 1870 (in red ink) the inspector states she is actually,
Mary McILHANEY (21), born Ireland.
Parents - James McILHANEY, fitter, & Margt. SHARKEY, both dead.
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But this Mary seems to have taken the forename of Margaret later.
Perhaps that really is her name?
She was an unmarried millworker.
This is her illeg. daur who was born in the City Poor House.
(putative father is named as John Shannon on the 1870 Poor Relief record)

MARY MCILHENNY - Birth: 03 APR 1872 Central District, Glasgow.
No Father & Mother: MARGARET MCILHENNY.

The Poor Relief record continues to 1873 under the name of Margaret McILHENNY.
--
Jack, who is feeling very embarassed by all the kind comments....