Hi Winger
To upload a picture to the gallery, see this page in the "How to...." section of the forum:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6496
Best wishes
Lesley
possibly a stupid question?
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winger
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ok - Ihave uploaded one photo - yipee and I will try the other photo - hopefully we can resolve this once and for all!
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1710
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1711
thanks for your assistance.
Gallery URLs added - AndrewP
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1710
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1711
thanks for your assistance.
Gallery URLs added - AndrewP
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Adam Brown
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I can only see the same photograph for both URL's.
There's no clear shot of the cap badge or shoulder title but on a first look that is a Scottish Regiment - Unless the pipers of the RIF wore tam o'shanters
Regards
Adam
There's no clear shot of the cap badge or shoulder title but on a first look that is a Scottish Regiment - Unless the pipers of the RIF wore tam o'shanters
Regards
Adam
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winger
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eejit!
Hi,
thanks for looking at the photo - I am a complete eejit and uploaded the
same photo twice! this is the photo I thought was william around the age of 19 - but the other photo I have is also supposed to be william and I know he was 29 when he signed up for the Inneskillen's - so I don't understand why he would have two different uniforms - or do we have two different men? I am still curious about the situation with signing up or being conscripted - if william wasn't conscripted does this mean he decided to join up and went looking for a regiment? It says on his papers that he had no previous experience of military service so the TA idea doesn't fit - I was delighted to find his service record but it's now given me a whole load of other questions!
thanks again.
thanks for looking at the photo - I am a complete eejit and uploaded the
same photo twice! this is the photo I thought was william around the age of 19 - but the other photo I have is also supposed to be william and I know he was 29 when he signed up for the Inneskillen's - so I don't understand why he would have two different uniforms - or do we have two different men? I am still curious about the situation with signing up or being conscripted - if william wasn't conscripted does this mean he decided to join up and went looking for a regiment? It says on his papers that he had no previous experience of military service so the TA idea doesn't fit - I was delighted to find his service record but it's now given me a whole load of other questions!
thanks again.
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Currie
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Hello Winger,
Are you certain that the supposed older photograph is of your grandfather and do you have any way of dating the photo apart from guessing that it is of him and that he looks about a certain age. Is there anything on the border or back of either photo to indicate the name and address of the photographer or any inscription or any family story about it. It can be difficult to judge a persons age by their face. When comparing photographs you should also consider that the experiences of war can add a lot of years to a soldier’s face.
If you have your grandfather’s WW1 records and if he said on those that he had no previous military experience that should normally be reasonably conclusive evidence that he had none. I can’t think of any advantage to be gained by hiding previous military experience unless he wanted to do one thing and the army, in relation to that previous experience, wanted him to do another.
The first though that comes to my mind as a reason for someone with no previous military experience joining a particular regiment would be that there was a family connection, but not necessarily a recent one. Otherwise he may have had friends or a friend who joined that particular regiment for reasons of their own and he simply went with them.
It may be worth checking that all the military papers you have belong to the right man and are in some reasonable sort of order. It’s very easy for soldier’s papers to get mixed up with others. It’s unfortunate that these records aren’t available free to view all the time as they surely deserve to be. The price these soldiers paid would no doubt have covered any cost. I’m sure the soldiers whose papers they are would have an opinion on that if they were able to give it.
Just a few ideas,
Alan
Are you certain that the supposed older photograph is of your grandfather and do you have any way of dating the photo apart from guessing that it is of him and that he looks about a certain age. Is there anything on the border or back of either photo to indicate the name and address of the photographer or any inscription or any family story about it. It can be difficult to judge a persons age by their face. When comparing photographs you should also consider that the experiences of war can add a lot of years to a soldier’s face.
If you have your grandfather’s WW1 records and if he said on those that he had no previous military experience that should normally be reasonably conclusive evidence that he had none. I can’t think of any advantage to be gained by hiding previous military experience unless he wanted to do one thing and the army, in relation to that previous experience, wanted him to do another.
The first though that comes to my mind as a reason for someone with no previous military experience joining a particular regiment would be that there was a family connection, but not necessarily a recent one. Otherwise he may have had friends or a friend who joined that particular regiment for reasons of their own and he simply went with them.
It may be worth checking that all the military papers you have belong to the right man and are in some reasonable sort of order. It’s very easy for soldier’s papers to get mixed up with others. It’s unfortunate that these records aren’t available free to view all the time as they surely deserve to be. The price these soldiers paid would no doubt have covered any cost. I’m sure the soldiers whose papers they are would have an opinion on that if they were able to give it.
Just a few ideas,
Alan
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winger
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Hi Alan,
first of all let me say how much I apprieciate your attempts to help me out with this.
I have now posted my inniskillen photo and hopefully someone will be able to confirm that the uniform is correct.
The photo of the two men was in my mothers possesion and she always told me it was my grandfather William McCann and his brother - (on my fathers side - not her side, she never met either of the men in the photo) now the interesting thing is she always said it was the man sitting - he looks quite like a cousin I have - I had no reason to doubt this information until I found a cousin online who is the direct decendent of "the brother" in the photo Henry McCann - she showed me photo's of Henry and I am pretty sure the man sitting is him - however she also gave me a photocopy of the other photo I have of the young man in the tam O'shanter and said she didn't know who it was but it was in her fathers possesions - this man is the double of my brother and father - so i assumed it was William McCann - and not knowing anything of military history I assumed that both uniforms where from the same regiment and was willing to over look the age situation - now I realise that I have made a classis mistake with family history and I am trying to get information to fit the facts I have instead of looking at the facts I have and try to work out the situation from the there!
If the young man in the scottish uniform is not William - who is he - I have all the McCann lines back to 1820 and cannot find any missing cousins that would be around 20 in 1914-1918 - why does he look like my brother and why would henry have his picture if he is not connected closely to the mccann family? mmmmm
I really need to go back over my family info and maybe post the photo's I have of Henry to confirm that he is the brother sitting down at least that way I can confirm that one of the brothers is right!
one again thanks for taking the time to try and help
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1719
Gallery URL added - AndrewP
first of all let me say how much I apprieciate your attempts to help me out with this.
I have now posted my inniskillen photo and hopefully someone will be able to confirm that the uniform is correct.
The photo of the two men was in my mothers possesion and she always told me it was my grandfather William McCann and his brother - (on my fathers side - not her side, she never met either of the men in the photo) now the interesting thing is she always said it was the man sitting - he looks quite like a cousin I have - I had no reason to doubt this information until I found a cousin online who is the direct decendent of "the brother" in the photo Henry McCann - she showed me photo's of Henry and I am pretty sure the man sitting is him - however she also gave me a photocopy of the other photo I have of the young man in the tam O'shanter and said she didn't know who it was but it was in her fathers possesions - this man is the double of my brother and father - so i assumed it was William McCann - and not knowing anything of military history I assumed that both uniforms where from the same regiment and was willing to over look the age situation - now I realise that I have made a classis mistake with family history and I am trying to get information to fit the facts I have instead of looking at the facts I have and try to work out the situation from the there!
If the young man in the scottish uniform is not William - who is he - I have all the McCann lines back to 1820 and cannot find any missing cousins that would be around 20 in 1914-1918 - why does he look like my brother and why would henry have his picture if he is not connected closely to the mccann family? mmmmm
I really need to go back over my family info and maybe post the photo's I have of Henry to confirm that he is the brother sitting down at least that way I can confirm that one of the brothers is right!
one again thanks for taking the time to try and help
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1719
Gallery URL added - AndrewP
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Currie
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Hello Winger,
I don’t really know much about the uniforms of the British Army but the badge on the cap on the table at the left of the photo looks exactly the same shape as that of a Fusilier regiment. It’s a perfectly circular grenade with flames gushing from the top. The badge is described below and here’s an illustration of something similar.
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collect ... irn=319211
If you go to Google advanced search http://www.google.com.au/advanced_search?hl=en and search for the phrase inniskilling fusiliers in the domain http://www.archive.org you’ll find a number of digitised books available in several formats where the Inniskilling Fusiliers are mentioned. In particular “The Irish at the Front”, written in 1916, in which they feature prominently. http://www.archive.org/stream/irishatth ... t_djvu.txt
“The following are the Irish Infantry and Cavalry regiments, with their badges and battle honours: ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS. A grenade with the Castle of Inniskilling flying the flag of St. George inscribed on the ball. Motto: Nee aspera terrent ("The harshest trials do not affright us"). Recruiting area: the Ulster Counties of Donegal, Derry, Tyrone, and Fermanagh. Depot: Omagh town.”
Here’s an excellent Gem of a Book about the British Army of the early 20th century, written for civilians. The forward says it all.
“The Way They Have in the Army” 1916, about 276 pages.
http://www.archive.org/stream/waytheyha ... a_djvu.txt
“FOREWORD
IN this little volume I have endeavoured to convey to the public in general, and, in particular, to that public which consists of the fathers and mothers, and sisters and brothers, and sweethearts and wives of our gallant soldiers, a faithful representation of the life, customs, duties, etc., of our brave heroes in khaki.
The work is not an exhaustive encyclopaedia on matters military; it simply deals with the inside, the human side of soldiering the side in which those with near ones and dear ones with the Colours are, naturally, most interested.
True, a goodly amount of information is furnished on a variety of martial subjects, but, I think, not more than is necessary to provide my readers with a knowledge, a conversational knowledge, of the "Way they have in the Army."
AUTHOR.
Hope this helps,
Alan
I don’t really know much about the uniforms of the British Army but the badge on the cap on the table at the left of the photo looks exactly the same shape as that of a Fusilier regiment. It’s a perfectly circular grenade with flames gushing from the top. The badge is described below and here’s an illustration of something similar.
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collect ... irn=319211
If you go to Google advanced search http://www.google.com.au/advanced_search?hl=en and search for the phrase inniskilling fusiliers in the domain http://www.archive.org you’ll find a number of digitised books available in several formats where the Inniskilling Fusiliers are mentioned. In particular “The Irish at the Front”, written in 1916, in which they feature prominently. http://www.archive.org/stream/irishatth ... t_djvu.txt
“The following are the Irish Infantry and Cavalry regiments, with their badges and battle honours: ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS. A grenade with the Castle of Inniskilling flying the flag of St. George inscribed on the ball. Motto: Nee aspera terrent ("The harshest trials do not affright us"). Recruiting area: the Ulster Counties of Donegal, Derry, Tyrone, and Fermanagh. Depot: Omagh town.”
Here’s an excellent Gem of a Book about the British Army of the early 20th century, written for civilians. The forward says it all.
“The Way They Have in the Army” 1916, about 276 pages.
http://www.archive.org/stream/waytheyha ... a_djvu.txt
“FOREWORD
IN this little volume I have endeavoured to convey to the public in general, and, in particular, to that public which consists of the fathers and mothers, and sisters and brothers, and sweethearts and wives of our gallant soldiers, a faithful representation of the life, customs, duties, etc., of our brave heroes in khaki.
The work is not an exhaustive encyclopaedia on matters military; it simply deals with the inside, the human side of soldiering the side in which those with near ones and dear ones with the Colours are, naturally, most interested.
True, a goodly amount of information is furnished on a variety of martial subjects, but, I think, not more than is necessary to provide my readers with a knowledge, a conversational knowledge, of the "Way they have in the Army."
AUTHOR.
Hope this helps,
Alan
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winger
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well - thanks again for all of your assistance - I have been immersing myself in army history - the links are quite brilliant - loads of info. I have
since downloaded william's medal card and hv managed to read more of his discharge paper's. I know know that william signed up with the inniskillens in 1915 but changed to join the REME. It doesn't help with the photo's but it all adds to more family info. I have checked out the cap badge on the Inniskillen site and it deffinatly looks like the fusiliers I now need to find a uniform for the REME just to double check it is not that corps that is in the photo.
thanks again for everyone's help on this - I am sure I will get it resolved eventually.
since downloaded william's medal card and hv managed to read more of his discharge paper's. I know know that william signed up with the inniskillens in 1915 but changed to join the REME. It doesn't help with the photo's but it all adds to more family info. I have checked out the cap badge on the Inniskillen site and it deffinatly looks like the fusiliers I now need to find a uniform for the REME just to double check it is not that corps that is in the photo.
thanks again for everyone's help on this - I am sure I will get it resolved eventually.