General Leighton's Regiment

[DavidWW]

Further clarification from you or some other TS member awaited with great interest

I think I'll wait to see if anyone has used that search before and can tell us what it means If not, I'll give it a try...

Sarah

Just to remind all you guid folk out there, it's the pre-1837 regimental records that are the question.

David

[IanS]

Hi Sarah and David, I used this search page when it was 1837 online. It was quite a while back, but managed quite well, considering the name was Kelly.

I got 2 positive results. (I clicked on everything that covered my date range so did use quite a few credits)

1. from the Births _Army Chaplains Birth Indices (1796 1880.)

Search on Kelly, only one page, my page started at Anne kelly, my William Henry was half way down the first column of first page.

Name , Place of birth, year or small year group, and ref. no. for ordering extract.

Places of birth on the page include , Madras, Bellary, Bombay, Trinidad, Malta, Bengal, Grenada, canada, Berbampore, Calcutta, Singapore, Calcutta, Ceylon, St.Vincent , Bermuda and others!!!

The earliest year I can see on the page is 1825.

Any use to you?

2. My other search, index and ultimately cert. from this site was again Kelly, but hers was from the slightly later records of Army Birth Indices 1881-1965.

However, there is no guarantee your name or surname will even be on the page, try a search on something like 'gggg' which I did and you still get results of pages that it COULD be on. I have to say I was happy, but realise I was fortunate.

Maybe someone out there has a few spare credits , I think you will only need abt 5 to cover the time frame for Giles 1761 to 1880. Sorry my extra credits have long since expired.

[SarahND]

Thanks, Ian! That clarifies things a bit. Since the regiment in question was in St Vincent at the time that interests me, there might be a possibility of finding the information. On the other hand, it is somewhat worrying that the earliest record you saw was from 1825. When I did a search for births between 1761 and 1780 I notice that the results it gave me were from an index of 1761-1924. It is highly likely that the hits it gave me all involved births much later than the ones I am interested in. It is frustrating that they won't allow a more precise search.

Unless I can find something else I want to look up on that site, I think I will at least wait until I get the pension papers that may answer my question (with some luck!)

Thanks again for clarifying the way the site works,
All the best,
Sarah

[StewL]

Hello all

I am just back home after looking after the brothers big hoose in the hills, and found this topic interesting. I have a bit of a brickwall with my Barton lot. It seems my James father was a sodjer, as he was born overseas either in U.S. America or St.......... Americas. So I will keep an eye on this thread to see what arises over findmypast and whether it is worth havin a look there myself.

[SarahND]

Hi Stewie,
When was your James born? I'll let you know when (if) I get to the bottom of this. By the way, I was quite taken with your reports of the house next to the state forest with the lovely view and the "kangaroos parking themselves on the lawns at night" Have to get over there myself one day.
All the best,
Sarah

[StewL]

Hello Sarah

Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.
There is a bit of conflicting information on when my James Barton was born, it is anywhere between 1816 and 1826 depending on what census you read and if you believe his DC.

His parents are down as John Barton and Martha Dunlop, but I can find no trace of this pair anywhere.

According to the censuses he was born in:
1881 Census
James Barton M 65 M (Other St...), America

1871 Census
James Barton M 50 M U.S. America

1861 Census
James Barton 35 Americas , British subject

I haven’t yet got him in the 1851 Census partly due to not being able to purchase credits last night to have a look see if it was him. And although I have the 1851 Census for Lanarkshire I am not sure who is who as it is only an index.

According to his DC in 1889 he was 58?

I hope you can have a look at Oz sometime in the future too.

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
This is the only near suitable American born BARTON i can see in 1851 LKs.
BUT - he's a GEORGE, and a house painter...!
Sorry, can't as yet see your JAMES.
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1851 644/2 ED: 8 Page: 6 Line: Civil parish: Gorbals
9 Hospital Street, Hutchesontown.
Margaret Jones: 50 : Head : dressmaker; born: Bothwell, Lanark
Mary Jones: 25: Daughter : dressmaker; born: Bothwell, Lanark
George Barton: 24: Lodger: house painter; born: United States British Subject
Thomas Greirson 25, lodger, house painter, b Dumfries, DFS
Robert Clark 26, lodger, tailor, b Edinburgh, MLN
Francis Henderson 21, house painter, b Dumfries, DFS
James Crosbie 19, visitor, clerk, shipping, b Edinburgh, MLN
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Can't see George locally in 1861. Could he be a brother?
Or it's a bit of problem at present.
Jack

[StewL]

Hello Jack

Yes I do have a bit of a problem with his siblings, so far I only have a John, and the accuracy of that one is in question as I cant recall or find out where I got him from.

I have been thinking that perhaps he wasnt in Scotland in 1841 for the census, but I do know he married around 1 April 1851 in New Monkland or at least the Banns were around that date, so he must have been around somewhere in the 1851 census or he was hiding behind the curtains

[SarahND]

Hi Stewie,
I had a look for your Barton's in 1851. Bear with me if you have already found these-- I tried to figure out from your earlier posts what you had found, but I may have missed something.

First, here is one where maybe the enumerator just put the whole household down as having been born in Ireland? It wouldn't be the first time that the wrong birthplace was marked down.

1851
Parish Number 651
ED: 16A
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 25
Line: 12

2 Bridewell Lane, Airdrie, New Monkland, Lanark

James Bell, 36, head, born in Ireland, labourer
Jane Bell, 32, wife, born in Ireland
James Bell, 8, son, born in Ireland, scholar
James Barton, 30, lodger, born Ireland, labourer
Joseph Stewart, 30, lodger, born in Ireland, ironstone miner
John Watt, 20, lodger, born in Ireland, labourer
William Wilson, 20, lodger, born in Ireland, labourer


Or this suspicious bunch (remember, I am looking at the ancestry index, so try to think like an OCR program):

1851 Parish Number: 651
ED: 31
Page: 38
Household Schedule Number: 129
Line: 6
Burn Sid Cottg, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Alexr Berton, 40, head, born Airdrie, Lanark, Grocer & Spiret Ida
Bethia Berton, 28, wife, born Airdrie, Lanark
James Berton, 8, son, born Airdrie, Lanark
James Berton, 30, brother, born Lanark, Shap Man
Janet Mason, 25, sister-in-law, born Aldmacple, Lanark
Martha Dunsto, 15, Har Servant, born Christon, Lanark

Could James have got Martha, his brother's servant, pregnant? This is assuming that Dunsto = Dunlop in the "eyes" of the OCR. And that there was a mistake on James death record and the wife's name was given instead of the mother's (wouldn't be the first time for that, either). Then she would indeed have been about 16 when they married...

Well, these are my convoluted ideas to add to those already in the pot (or perhaps use as a cushion when you are banging your head against that brick wall-- looks painful!)
All the best,
Sarah

[Jack]

Hi Sarah and Stewie,
I've seen it a number of times on censuses - everyone having the same place of birth.
Then the family in later censuses with some of them having entirely different (but correct) birthplaces.
So James BARTON the lodger is a good contender - he's certainly in the right area, ie Airdrie.
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Sarah, you were mentioning....
>Or this suspicious bunch
(remember, I am looking at the ancestry index, so try to think like an OCR program)

>Alexr Berton, 40, head, born Airdrie, Lanark, Grocer & Spiret Ida
>Bethia Berton, 28, wife, born Airdrie, Lanark
>James Berton, 8, son, born Airdrie, Lanark
>James Berton, 30, brother, born Lanark, Shap Man
>Janet Mason, 25, sister-in-law, born Aldmacple, Lanark
>Martha Dunsto, 15, Har Servant, born Christon, Lanark
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I've looked at the LFHS & GWSFHS 1851 LKS indexes, and both say the name is RESTON.
Also checked Des Garrity's 1861 LKS - Alexander [50] & Betha [38] are still as RESTON.
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There are some BCs in the IGI for the couple - so i suppose it is Reston!
By the way, Janet Mason 25 born Aldmacple - that was Ancestry's interpretation of Old Monkland.
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Jack