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Margaret
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Post by Margaret » Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:41 am

Hello Jack
Thanks once again, I wasnt sure if the Village was the full address. You know it is strange my maiden name was Margaret Morton and it seems a wee bit strange seeing me way back in the 1800"s :) . Now for wee Helen Wright, I am thinking that maybe Janet Morton re married a Mr Wright and Helen was his daughter. I am about to go search and see if Janet remarried, as she does show up as Janet Wright in the 1851 census oh what a web they do spin.
Can you please tell me is there a census for 1861, if so next time you are at the archives and a minute to spare would you be able to see if you can find my Mortons :) pleaseee it is the only one I am missing.
Ta Jack
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Margaret
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Margaret
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Jack
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1834 marriage

Post by Jack » Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:57 pm

Hi Margaret,
I've been pretty dense - forgetting Janet was as WRIGHT in 1851 :oops:
But i'm wondering if this is Janet, and that she was again a widow by 1841?
Son William unthinkingly giving his mother as Janet MORTON on the census? Or maybe to him that was his mother's name!
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ALLAN WRIGHT
JANET ANDERSON
Marriage: 31 OCT 1834 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland
[there are LDS submissions for Paisley too]
--
HELEN MCKECHNIE WRIGHT
Birth: 06 JAN 1835; Christening: 21 FEB 1836 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland
Parents:
ALLAN WRIGHT
JANET ANDERSON
--
I'll have a look at the 1861 Cathcart census as soon as i've got a wee bit extra time!
Will also look at the 1834 OPR marriage to see if it says anything more.

Jack

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Re Hellen Wright

Post by Jack » Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:22 pm

Hi Margaret,
This Hellen may be worth checking out? But only if it is your Janet ANDERSON above.
James MORTON married an Isabella ARNOT.... from Campsie.
==
JOHN ARNOT
HELLEN WRIGHT
Marriage: 13 JUN 1856 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland

JANET ARNOT - Birth: 09 APR 1857 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
AGNES GILCHRIST ARNOT - Birth: 08 DEC 1858 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
[Agnes also recorded in Eastwood - Birth: 08 DEC 1858 Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland]
JOHN ARNOT - Birth: 06 JAN 1861 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
JANE ARNOT - Birth: 02 JAN 1863 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
ALLAN WRIGHT ARNOTT - Birth: 07 FEB 1865 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
ISABELLA ARNOTT - Birth: 19 JUN 1867 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
MARGARET ARNOTT - Birth: 02 OCT 1870 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
HELEN ARNOTT - Birth: 21 AUG 1872 Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
==
1881 Census Place: Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: Porters Lodge Lochburn
Source: FHL Film 0203612 GRO Ref Volume 622-1 EnumDist 3 Page 42
John ARNOTT M 46 M Campsie, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Van Driver
Ellen ARNOTT M 46 F Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife
Janet ARNOTT U 23 F Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Machinist
Agnes ARNOTT U 22 F Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Machinist
Allan ARNOTT U 16 M Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Van Driver
Isabella ARNOTT U 13 F Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Ellen ARNOTT U 8 F Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
John ARNOTT U 6 M Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
==
1881 Census Place: Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: Porters Lodge Lochburn
Source: FHL Film 0203612 GRO Ref Volume 622-1 EnumDist 3 Page 41
James MORTON M 62 M Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gardener
Isabella MORTON M 54 F Campsie, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife
Agnes G. MORTON U 23 F Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
Janet A. MORTON U 20 F Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
Malcolm U. MORTON 12 M Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
==
Jack
ps later, suppose there's always the possibilty that Janet ANDERSON (as MORTON) wasn't the widow of Allan WRIGHT in 1841, and that he was elsewhere; or they were separated?
I only mention this because Janet, as WRIGHT in 1851 is as married, and not a widow.

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Some censuses

Post by Jack » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:59 am

Hi Margaret,
Some stuff for you, but you've a bit of work ahead with them!
I notice Janet is as WRIGHT in 1861 too, and again as married....
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OPR 572 Vol 5 p 149 Neilston (Marriages)
WRIGHT and ANDERSON, 2 days
Allan WRIGHT & Janet ANDERSON both at Pointhouse in this Parish, were booked for
Proclamation of Banns 18th Oct, and being regularly proclaimed, and no objections offered,
were married at Paisley the 31st Oct 1834, by the Rev James Banks, Minister.
==
1851 cens 560 (459) Ed 2 p 5 (Cathcart)
Braehead Village.
James MORTON, head, marr, 28, carter, b Neilston, RFW
Isabella MORTON, wife, marr, 24, ---------- b Campsie, STI
John MORTON, son, 2, ----------------- b Cathcart, RFW
Wm. MORTON, son, 4mos, --------- b Cathcart, RFW
==
This next census was a bit of a mess; in the occupation column he had put the birthplaces,
but he also put the bithplaces in the proper column.
So it was written twice, and instead of repeating this i've just put a line ------- This is why there are no occupations.
1861 cens 560 Ed 2 p 4 (Cathcart)
Braehead Village.
James MORTON, head, marr, 40, ------------ b Dunlop, AYR [sic]
Isabella MORTON, wife, marr, 34, ----------- b Campsie, STI
John MORTON, son, 12, ----------------- b Cathcart, RFW
William MORTON, son, 10, ------------- b Cathcart, RFW
James MORTON, son, 8, ---------------- b Cathcart, RFW
Agnes GILCHRIST, visitor, --- 20, ----- b Cathcart, RFW
Margaret MORTON, daur, 3, ----------- b Cathcart, RFW
Janet ANDERSON, visitor, --- 18, ----- b Cathcart, RFW
Helen MORTON, daur, 8mos, --------- b Cathcart, RFW
Thomas MORTON, son, 6yrs, --------- b Cathcart, RFW
[that was the name order]
--
1861 cens 560 Ed 2 p 25 (Cathcart)
Villa St, New Cathcart.
John MORTON, head, marr, 35, blacksmith, b Neilston, RFW
Christina MORTON, wife, marr, 31, --------- b Rutherglen, LKS
John MORTON, son, 9, scholar, b Cathcart, RFW
Francis HUNT, lodger, marr, 64, woolen carpet weaver, b England
--
1861 cens 560 Ed 2 p 34 (Cathcart)
New Cathcart. [sch 173]
Janet WRIGHT, head, marr, 66, ----------- b Dunlop, AYR
Robert MORTON, son, u/m 31, carter, b Neilston, RFW
Mark BLACKWOOD, gr-son, 15, carter's boy, b Cathcart, RFW [the Mark Black 6yrs in 1851?]
Jean GREIG, niece, 16, paper mill worker, b Cathcart, RFW
-- and next door,
1861 cens 560 Ed 2 p 35 (Cathcart)
New Cathcart. [sch 174]
John ARNOT, head, marr, 26, carter, b Campsie, STI
Helen ARNOT, wife, marr, 26, ------- b Neilston, RFW
Janet ARNOT, daur, 4, ----------- b Cathcart, RFW
Agnes ARNOT, daur, 2, --------- b Eastwood, RFW
John ARNOT, son, 3mos, ----- b Cathcart, RFW
====
1851 cens 560 (459) Ed 5 p 3 (Cathcart)
Crossmyloof Village.
William GALT, head, marr, 40, labourer (surfaceman), b Craigie, AYR
Janet GALT, wife, marr, 32, ----------- b Neilston, RFW
John GALT, son, 2, ------------- b Cathcart, RFW
William GALT, son, 7mos, ---- b Cathcart, RFW
James GALT, brother, u/m 46, labourer (surfaceman), b Craigie, AYR
Collin CLARKE, lodger, marr, 44, labourer (surfaceman), b Inverary, ARL
Jane CLARKE, servant, 10yrs, ----------- b Stewarton, AYR
--
1861 cens 560 Ed 2 p 37 (Cathcart)
New Cathcart. [sch 188]
William GALT, head, marr, 49, surfaceman, b Craigie, AYR
Janet GALT, wife, marr, 44, ------------- b Craigie, AYR [SIC]
John GALT, son, 12, scholar, b Cathcart, RFW
William GALT, son, 10, scholar, b Cathcart, RFW
David GALT, son, 5, --------- b Cathcart, RFW
Janet GALT, daur, 3, -------- b Cathcart, RFW
Mary GALT, daur, 11mos, --- b Cathcart, RFW
James GALT, brother, u/m 56, surfaceman, b Craigie, AYR
Peter MILLER, lodger, widower, 65, carpet weaver, b Paisley, RFW
--
1881 Census Place: Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: Whitehill Terrace
Source: FHL Film 0203567 GRO Ref Volume 560 EnumDist 3 Page 38
William GAULT M 62 M Craigie, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: County Road Surfaceman
Janet GAULT M 62 F Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife
William GAULT U 30 M Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Craneman
David GAULT U 25 M Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Surfaceman
Mary GAULT U 20 F Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Paper Mill Worker
[Janet's DC should say whether she is or isn't the daur of John MORTON & Janet ANDERSON]
==
Jack
[edited to include some missing ages]
Last edited by Jack on Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

Margaret
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Post by Margaret » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:15 am

Oh my gosh Jack when will I ever get to the ironing basket :lol: so much information, many thanks I will print it all out and go over it later today. I had put a message regarding deaths prior to 1853 and where to find them and Annette answered, she came up with the Marriage of Janet and allen Wright and a John Morton's death in 1833 but no way to prove that he is mine yet?? still working on that. Also that Janet and Allan had a daughter Helen in 1835 so the puzzle is coming together.
Jack a million thanks for the information from the 1861 census and all of your help.
:D
Cheers
Margaret
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Margaret
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Post by Margaret » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:19 am

Me again, the John and Christina at Villa Street are my GGGrandparents
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Margaret
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Janet Anderson,Helen Wright/John Arnot

Post by kiwibird56 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:58 pm

Hi Folks , I hope Margaret and Jack still participate on this forum. I discovered your thread late last night and what a scoop it's been =D>
MY GreatUncle is John Arnot(t) who married Helen Wright the daughter of Janet Anderson.
MY Greatgrandfather is James Arnot who married Isabella Blackwood who was the grandaughter of Janet Anderson. I have the death cert of Isabellas mother Jane (Jean?) Blackwood which states that her mother was Janet Wright, formerly Morton, maiden name Anderson.
John and James had a sister Isabella Arnot also born Campsie.
Jack lists James Morton the son of Janet Anderson marrying an Isabella Arnot and I strongly suspect that she could be the sister of John and James. All these 3 siblings have a daughter which they call Agnes Gilchrist - their mothers name is Agnes McGilchrist so it seems reasonable to make the connection for Isabella with John and James. :?:
MY Grandfather James Blackwood Arnott came out to NZ in 1900.
Would love to hear from anyone connected to these families. When time permits I will start a new thread re this Arnot(t) family
Cheers
Chris in New Zealand

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Re: Morton/Campbell 1851 .....

Post by StewL » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:58 am

Hello Chris
Jack has not been on the forum for a while now, Margaret last visited in Nov 2012 so hopefully she is still active, and should receive notice of your post.
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Margaret
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Re: Morton/Campbell 1851 .....

Post by Margaret » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:57 pm

Hi there yes I am back on TS have been bit busy, thanks Stewl for you help....I have contacted Chris how exciting another branch on the tree :D
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Margaret
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Margaret
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Re: Morton/Campbell 1851 .....

Post by Margaret » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:06 am

Hello Jack
Just glancing through my post and see I haven't answered you reply, so so sorry about that. Yes my John Morton was a carter. I haven't done much in the way of family tree lately but just this past month have had a couple of new leads so looks like I have opened up that chest of searching and searching once again
cheers
Margaret
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Margaret
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