Please help decipher this given name
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Please help decipher this given name
Hello,
I need help deciphering the given name on Line 2 of the image on photobucket. Ancestry transcribed it "Jaomcy" but if that name is correct, she is the only "Jaomcy" on any census worldwide. Because I suspected it was an error, I bought the 1861 Scotland census image on the ScotlandsPeople website to see for myself... but I can't figure it out either! It looks like "Yagncy" but I don't believe that's a name. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
http://s1138.photobucket.com/albums/n52 ... nncrop.jpg
Regards,
Suzanne
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I need help deciphering the given name on Line 2 of the image on photobucket. Ancestry transcribed it "Jaomcy" but if that name is correct, she is the only "Jaomcy" on any census worldwide. Because I suspected it was an error, I bought the 1861 Scotland census image on the ScotlandsPeople website to see for myself... but I can't figure it out either! It looks like "Yagncy" but I don't believe that's a name. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
http://s1138.photobucket.com/albums/n52 ... nncrop.jpg
Regards,
Suzanne
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Hi Suzanne,
Welcome to TalkingScot.
I don't see ant of the 'regular' names that fit the handwriting there. I think you are going to have to find some other paperwork concerning the family? Any post-1855 births, deaths of the parents or children, marriages of any of the children, or subsequent censuses. Hopefully these documents will confirm the elusive name.
All the best,
AndrewP
Welcome to TalkingScot.
I don't see ant of the 'regular' names that fit the handwriting there. I think you are going to have to find some other paperwork concerning the family? Any post-1855 births, deaths of the parents or children, marriages of any of the children, or subsequent censuses. Hopefully these documents will confirm the elusive name.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Greetings Suzanne.
Would it be possible for you to give details about your census clipping. Date, name, place, then it might be possible to see more of that enumerator's hand writing and at least decide which capital letter it is. When one can compare other examples of the same hand it makes the job a lot easier, and there are many on TS with considerable experience with old hand writings.
Alan SHARP.
Would it be possible for you to give details about your census clipping. Date, name, place, then it might be possible to see more of that enumerator's hand writing and at least decide which capital letter it is. When one can compare other examples of the same hand it makes the job a lot easier, and there are many on TS with considerable experience with old hand writings.
Alan SHARP.
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Had a look at Ancestry's 1861 transcription, then looked for the family in 1871 as follows:
1871 Scotland Census
Name: William Dunn
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Marlborough St
Occupation: Wotton Weaver
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_128
Household Members: Name Age
William Dunn 42
Mary Dunn 40
Hannah Dunn 19
Rebecca Dunn 16
William Dunn 13
Margaret Dunn 11
James Dunn 9
Mary Dunn 2
1861 Scotland Census
Name: Wm Dunn
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 146 London Road Bk Land
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 54
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_100
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Dunn 32
Mary Dunn 30
Hannay Dunn 10
Jaomcy Dunn 6
Wm Dunn 4
Magt Dunn 2
Must be the same family?
Anne
1871 Scotland Census
Name: William Dunn
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Marlborough St
Occupation: Wotton Weaver
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_128
Household Members: Name Age
William Dunn 42
Mary Dunn 40
Hannah Dunn 19
Rebecca Dunn 16
William Dunn 13
Margaret Dunn 11
James Dunn 9
Mary Dunn 2
1861 Scotland Census
Name: Wm Dunn
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 146 London Road Bk Land
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 54
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_100
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Dunn 32
Mary Dunn 30
Hannay Dunn 10
Jaomcy Dunn 6
Wm Dunn 4
Magt Dunn 2
Must be the same family?
Anne
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Hello Suzanne,
She appears to be called Rebecca in 1871, but I certainly can't see that in the 1861 writing!!
Best wishes,
Sarah
Edit: I see Anne has beat me to it!
She appears to be called Rebecca in 1871, but I certainly can't see that in the 1861 writing!!
Best wishes,
Sarah
Edit: I see Anne has beat me to it!
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
'Jaomcy' it is not !
Not least since the capital is not 'J', - there's plenty examples on the page of the enumerator's form of 'J'.
As best as I can see the capital is 'F', - there's a capital F in the occupation field on the last line, and a couple on the previous page.
What the rest is I know not, but, again, it's not 'Jaomcy'. Neither is it Rebecca.
Best I can do is Fa??ey, maybe Fa???ey. The in-between letters are messily written, to say the least. The third letter could be 'g' but it looks like it's got an upper limb, or the enumerator has written over what he first entered.
The ScotlandsPeople census index entry is the only cop-out I've even seen, showing just
" J " for the forename.
Just be thankful you're not looking for the person in the 6th line of the page, the wife of Archd......... E???th.
mb
Not least since the capital is not 'J', - there's plenty examples on the page of the enumerator's form of 'J'.
As best as I can see the capital is 'F', - there's a capital F in the occupation field on the last line, and a couple on the previous page.
What the rest is I know not, but, again, it's not 'Jaomcy'. Neither is it Rebecca.
Best I can do is Fa??ey, maybe Fa???ey. The in-between letters are messily written, to say the least. The third letter could be 'g' but it looks like it's got an upper limb, or the enumerator has written over what he first entered.
The ScotlandsPeople census index entry is the only cop-out I've even seen, showing just
" J " for the forename.
Just be thankful you're not looking for the person in the 6th line of the page, the wife of Archd......... E???th.
mb
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Checking the other children in the family it appears the parents are William Dunn and Mary McCandlish - all the other children appear on IGI except Hannah and "Rebecca", ie all those born after statutory registration in 1855 show up - so looks unfortunately like "Rebecca" was born in 1854 before statutory registration.
Had a look on Ancestry at the cencus 1881 for a Rebecca Dunn - but none of right age or place of birth. Given that she'd be around 25 or 26 by then - it's possible she had married. So looked on IGI but none showed for period up to 1875 - so checked SP for period 1876 to 1881. There was only 1 in Lanarkshire - a Rebecca Dunn to a Thomas McMillan in 1876. Checked on Ancestry and found Thomas and Rebecca McMillan & family in 1881 and the age fitted for Rebecca - so had a look at the marriage entry on SP and indeed it was Rebecca Dunn daughter of William Dunn and Mary McCandlish - the marriage was actually 31 December 1875 but registered in 1876.
So whilst this confirms that the name should be Rebecca - it doesn't help solve what is written on the 1861 cencus !!!
Susan.
Had a look on Ancestry at the cencus 1881 for a Rebecca Dunn - but none of right age or place of birth. Given that she'd be around 25 or 26 by then - it's possible she had married. So looked on IGI but none showed for period up to 1875 - so checked SP for period 1876 to 1881. There was only 1 in Lanarkshire - a Rebecca Dunn to a Thomas McMillan in 1876. Checked on Ancestry and found Thomas and Rebecca McMillan & family in 1881 and the age fitted for Rebecca - so had a look at the marriage entry on SP and indeed it was Rebecca Dunn daughter of William Dunn and Mary McCandlish - the marriage was actually 31 December 1875 but registered in 1876.
So whilst this confirms that the name should be Rebecca - it doesn't help solve what is written on the 1861 cencus !!!
Susan.
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Hello Andrew,
This is my first time joining a forum and I am thrilled and overwhelmed with the responses.
Thank you for the advice,
Suzanne
This is my first time joining a forum and I am thrilled and overwhelmed with the responses.
Thank you for the advice,
Suzanne
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Hello Alan,Alan SHARP wrote:Greetings Suzanne.
Would it be possible for you to give details about your census clipping. Date, name, place, then it might be possible to see more of that enumerator's hand writing and at least decide which capital letter it is. When one can compare other examples of the same hand it makes the job a lot easier, and there are many on TS with considerable experience with old hand writings.
Alan SHARP.
I am new at forums, thank you for the advice. I see from Anne's answer below how I should have formulated my question.
Suzanne
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Re: Please help decipher this given name
Hello Ann,apanderson wrote:Had a look at Ancestry's 1861 transcription, then looked for the family in 1871 as follows:
1871 Scotland Census
Name: William Dunn
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Marlborough St
Occupation: Wotton Weaver
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_128
Household Members: Name Age
William Dunn 42
Mary Dunn 40
Hannah Dunn 19
Rebecca Dunn 16
William Dunn 13
Margaret Dunn 11
James Dunn 9
Mary Dunn 2
1861 Scotland Census
Name: Wm Dunn
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 146 London Road Bk Land
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 54
Household schedule number: 53
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_100
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Dunn 32
Mary Dunn 30
Hannay Dunn 10
Jaomcy Dunn 6
Wm Dunn 4
Magt Dunn 2
Must be the same family?
Anne
You found the right 1861 census return (no thanks to me... sorry if I made you hunt for it) and I too thought it must be the same family as in that 1871 census but the highlighted names Rebecca and "Jaomcy" are so different, but they are the same age.
Thank you for displaying it the way I should have done it!
Suzanne