The Rise and Progress of Coatbridge and Surrounding Villages

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:19 am

I got the whole book. It's also available at these libraries:

University of Glasgow
University of Guelph, Ontario Canada
University of British Columbia, Vancover Canada
University of California S. Regional Library Los Angeles, CA USA
UCLA Los Angeles, CA USA

Carol

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:06 am

k Hmmm. Definitely looks as if it is only downloadable from the U.S.

Makes me feel I should go back and check some of the ones that were only snippets when I was in Europe to see if I can now get the whole thing

Or is it just during the total eclipse of the moon that it's possible

It's absolutely spectacular here tonight, even if the cost of a crystal clear night sky is a temperature of 5 below zero (fahrenheit!!!) That's minus 20.5 for you celsius people

Still, it's "warmer" now than it was this morning

Sarah

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:24 am

k Hmmm...that is too bad. Thanks for trying the link everyone

No, Andrew, I wasn't signed in, and like Sarah, the entire book just came up. As Carol pointed out, you can get the book in certain library's and for those living around the Coatbridge/Airdrie area, I believe you can also view the book at the Historical Society at Airdrie Library, although, I don't know if it can be taken out.

Beats me why you can see it in one country and not the other...I checked and don't see where you can buy this book anywhere...so, since I'm not seeing anything about copyright I don't see why I wouldn't be able to send the PDF doc by email to anyone who really wants a read...or does the fact that you can only view it in one country mean that you shouldn't share the PDF

Regards,
Anne H

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:49 pm

Hi Anne,

It really doesn't make sense, does it. Since Google is worldwide, why wouldn't the book be available worldwide? Or maybe someone thinks this will be a "hot seller" in the UK and commonwealth countries, but not here in the US? The audience for this one has to be limited so I can't see this being a question of "protecting the market"! Reminds me of the restrictions being put on access to some of the archives and it's too early in the mornining to get into that discussion again!

Carol

scotmum · Post by **scotmum** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:09 pm

This link should explain why it cannot be viewed in full, but unless I am missing something, it doesn't seem to explain why a book can be available in one country and not another.

http://books.google.com/support/bin/ans ... 9259&hl=en

If anyone with the PDF copy feels it is legal to send me a copy, I would much appreciate same (had ancestors leave Ireland for the Airdrie/Coatbridge area in timescale) and can be contacted by PM for my email addy.

Archiver · Post by **Archiver** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:44 pm

Copyright is minefield, and unless you are absolutely certain that the work can be sent to another country don't send it. Under copyright law, works which are protected in the UK may not necessarily be protected in another country, such as the USA. It's down to the definition of the protected work, and this can vary wildly, as can the owner of the work which can differ from country to country. This therefore mean that in some countries a work will be out of copyright while it is still protected in another.

The best thing when it comes to copyright is to err on the side of caution! Copyright legislation is horrible, confusing, and restricting but unfortunately it is there for a reason, however much we wish it wasn't!

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:44 pm

Google doesn't own copyright to any of their Google Books yet they are scanning them and putting them on the internet. I guess their Full View books would be those where they know or are reasonably certain copyright has expired or where they have permission. There's a first page to all these Google PDF’s which sets out Google’s position. They basically only seem to be asking that the books not be used commercially and that Google’s efforts be acknowledged.

Most of the population of the planet are guilty of copyright infringement by way of recording television programs, copying CDs, over enthusiastic photocopying or whatever and I wouldn’t worry too much about sending a 150 year old Google Book PDF to someone so long as it doesn’t develop into an industry. But if you were concerned you could check the author’s death date and the laws applicable where you and the recipient live.

Google has to be careful about copyright infringement because they are potentially supplying downloads to all parts of the world. Copyright law varies from country to country and can be very complicated. However for places like Australia, Canada, U.K. and U.S.A. by the time the author has been dead 70 years, generally speaking, the copyright has expired.

I’ve noticed that there are relatively fewer Google Full View Books after about the 1860s. I suppose Google is treading warily because a book written about 1860 may have been written by someone born about 1840, who died about 1940, and has heirs eagerly waiting to pounce on Google with a law suit if they dare put a book on line the copyright of which expires about 2010. Google Books is in its infancy and these issues will no doubt be resolved over time.

People outside the USA can download this book using a US based Proxy Server if they’re into that sort of thing.

A totally unqualified opinion,
Alan

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:37 pm

Hi Carol,

It really doesn't make sense, does it. Since Google is worldwide, why wouldn't the book be available worldwide?

I was looking around last night and came up with some answers.
http://books.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=9259
Apparently, not everyone has access to the same books but Google are working on getting everyone on the same waivelength, so to speak. (I can't find the exact page to quote at the moment).

As for copyright, you have to go by the individual country's rules on that matter, and in this case, if it was protected under copyright, I think it would be out of copyright by now.

Regards,
Anne H

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:17 pm

Hello again everyone

Thanks for your responses and comments. Although I don't believe this book could be under copyright law, the simple fact is that I don't really know, and since I'm a stickler for the law, and neither have the inclination nor the time to look into it, might I suggest that the best way to go for now is for anyone who wants a look at the book to contact your library...if they don't have it, you might be able to get an inter-library loan.

It is a good little book and I understand it to be the last book written about Coatbridge.

Regards,
Anne H

Archiver · Post by **Archiver** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:40 pm

I can't believe that it's under copyright either, given that it was written in the 1860s! Copyright should have expired 70 years after the author's death, or 50 years after the first publication if the author died 20 years before the book was published, so unless he died after 1938 then it should be available in the public domain.

Libraries should be able to provide copies from the book, but I am surprised that there is no copyright information given by Google about the book. This does make me think that it should be alright to distribute, even though as I said earlier if you're not sure about it then don't do anything.

I get so frustrated with copyright, especially when it comes to photographs.