Mary Jack, Lochlee - English And Scottish Popular Ballads

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:27 pm

While doing an online search (it's amazing what pops up) for my 4th Great Grandmother, Mary Jack, I came across this....

The English And Scottish Popular Ballads: Part I, V4 by Francis James Child
See all pages with references to "south countrie".
Excerpt - on Page 197: " ... plough o land, Aye, twenty plough and three, And he 's taen awa the bonniest lass Was in a' the south countrie. F Gibb MS., p. 9. "From recitation; traced to Mary Jack, Lochlee, Forfarshire, died 1881, aged 94." 1 BONNY MAY ... "

Does anyone have this book??

Amazon says I can look at a page of the book if I have previously bought from them - but I haven't.

The location and dates fit (and the name Gibb fits too). It's frustrating when you find wee snippets but can't get the whole picture!

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:51 pm

Hi Caljam371,

You can see the pages on Google Books. see the foot of page 197, and page 198.

Google Books :: The English and Scottish Popular Ballads By Francis James Child :: page 197-198

All the best,

AndrewP

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:42 pm

Thank you!!!!

I thought about Google books and then forgot again

Now to prove the link!!!

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:54 pm

Looks quite likely there is a link!!!

"Gibb MS, 1860. Twenty-one ballads written down from the recitation of his mother by Mr James Gibb of Joppa, representing the form in which ballads were recited about the begining of the century in Angus and Mearns. Harvard College Library."

My Mary Jack married John Gibb and had a son James b. 1815.

Post by **paddyscar** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:15 pm

How very exciting for you, Caljam! That's truly a wonderful find, and I hope it all checks out OK.

All the best,
Frances

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:22 pm

Hi Caljam

"From recitation; traced to Mary Jack, Lochlee, Forfarshire, died 1881, aged 94." 1 BONNY MAY ... "

Just a thought - Lochee is now part of Dundee, though was at one time a separate area - I wonder if that is the placename? There may well be a Lochlee in "Forfarshire" now Angus, but I don't know of it. (...but I should add that given my lack of geographical knowledge sometimes, the fact that I've not heard of it is not to be taken as an indication it does not exist!!

)

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **AndrewP** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:42 pm

Hi Caljam & Lealey,

Lochlee was a large rural parish in the north of Angus (Forfarshire).

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/in ... ntParishes
Hover your mouse over the large parish in the top centre of the county map - the name should appear.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/Lochlee/index.html

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/Lo ... ap1865.jpg

All the best,

AndrewP

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:50 pm

Ah, thank you Andrew!

Should have "googled" before I posted.

Best wishes
Lesley

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:41 pm

Lochlee is only 20 miles from me and I've never been there!!!

Next fine day I'll grab a picnick and go and visit - there's a museum there that looks well worth a visit!

http://www.angusglens.co.uk/esk/glenesk_museum.php

Now we just need the sun to come out!!