Kelly family in Anderston and Govan, Glasgow.....

[Andy]

Ages are WAY out in 1881:

Dwelling: 30 Stobcross St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203665 GRO Ref Volume 644-10 EnumDist 21 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Michael KELLY M 72 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Labourer
Unity KELLY M 74 F Ireland
Rel: Wife
James MURRAY M 45 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Labourer
Ann MURRAY M 45 F England

This Unity (Brogan) Kelly died aged 56 in 1884!!!!

P.S She was 67 in 1871

Can't see them in 1861

[Jack]

Hi folks,
I've edited this to add census details.
Michael & Unity were as KENNY in 1861 - they are at the same address as where Andy found them in 1881.
They've got a son John born abt 1853, and now we know of a son Patrick born 1856 too.
Andy, how right you are on ages being way out....!
--
PATRICK KENNY - Birth: 04 SEP 1856 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: MICHAEL KENNY & UNITY BROGAN
--
1861 census 644-8 Ed 26 p 3 (Anderston)
30 Stobcross Street.
// Michael KENNY, head, marr, 48, mason's labourer, b Ireland
Unity KENNY, wife, marr, 46, mason's labourer's wife, b Ireland
John KENNY, son, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Patrick KENNY, son, 4, ------b Glasgow, LKS
Ann KENNY, sister, u/m 49, cotton mill worker, b Ireland
// Margaret KENNY, head, u/m, 38, cotton waste worker, b Ireland
Nancy CROMIE, lodger, widow, 70, cotton mill worker, b Ireland
--
Jack

[AnneMT]

Anne I only have info on Kelly side of family at the moment,
John Kelly had another son James who was born after Annie,
in 1878, the son William moved to canada,if you need any info
i can let you know what I have

Hi bibby, could you give me any info you have, which you think may relate to the Kelly family. All being well, I will be at Park Circus next week and hope to make some headway with this family. Though I have yet to confirm any siblings for John, I do have details of six of his children.

Hope to hear from

[AnneMT]

Hi folks,
I've edited this to add census details.
Michael & Unity were as KENNY in 1861 - they are at the same address as where Andy found them in 1881.
They've got a son John born abt 1853, and now we know of a son Patrick born 1856 too.
Andy, how right you are on ages being way out....!
--
PATRICK KENNY - Birth: 04 SEP 1856 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: MICHAEL KENNY & UNITY BROGAN
--
1861 census 644-8 Ed 26 p 3 (Anderston)
30 Stobcross Street.
// Michael KENNY, head, marr, 48, mason's labourer, b Ireland
Unity KENNY, wife, marr, 46, mason's labourer's wife, b Ireland
John KENNY, son, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Patrick KENNY, son, 4, ------b Glasgow, LKS
Ann KENNY, sister, u/m 49, cotton mill worker, b Ireland
// Margaret KENNY, head, u/m, 38, cotton waste worker, b Ireland
Nancy CROMIE, lodger, widow, 70, cotton mill worker, b Ireland
--
Jack

Hi Andy and Jack, thanks for the info, but now I really am confused!!

I will be going to Park Circus next week, and will have another look for any info to confirm or deny, what you have mentioned.

I will need to digest all the census contradictions and try to make sense of them. Unity's death cert shows her as only 56 in 1884, but her son John reported the death, so possible he did not know her real age. Will look for entries under Kenny to find possible birth entries for this family.

Her son's address at marriage, in 1876, was 30 Stobcross Street, which agrees with 1881 census for Michael and Unity though ages do not seem right.

Thanks for your help. I will be in touch.

PS
Is it true, that if you have high blood pressure and fluid prevention, you will have boiling water????

[paddyscar]

Is it true, that if you have high blood pressure and fluid prevention, you will have boiling water????

Not sure about that Anne. We may have to have Russell's input on the medical side of the question, but it would be handy for a cup o' tea on the go

Frances

[bibby]

hi anne, Im going to park circus as well,to many
things not ringing true I know people lied about
they,re age along with other details they were good at it
hope you manage to find what your looking for
good luck.

[bibby]

Hi Anne,wee bit news on application for relief records,details as follows
date 3/2/1914. John Kelly age 60 yrs born buchan glasgow ss a hammersman in desertion s/o michael kelly labourer and unity brogan
b/d johns family by 1st wife james33yrs born 8 whitehall st seaman resides 70 carrick st, annie 35yrs born 12 sharps lane married to wm robertson a rivitter resides 50 holm street govan, michael 31yrs born 27/8/82 63 main st married he was a foreman labourer in cityline, resides
22 sydney st, andrew 24 born 12 sharps lane married he was a labourer
resides 4 whitehall court, william 23 born 9/7/1890 63 main st resides in
canada, mary 18 born 12 sharpes lane single residence unknown,
I think john kelly was born in buchanan street and not what was on the record in feb 1914 after he and margaret split up he was working in lindsay burnet moorpark boiler works helen st govan , bibby hear from you soon .

[Jack]

Hi Bibby,
You'll notice John Kelly's birthplace said Buchan, Glasgow, SS - this means South Side (of river Clyde).
Buchan Street was at the eastern end of Norfolk St, it ran north towards Carlton Place.
It was just to the west of Gorbals Cross.
But seems it's disappeared in the last 10yrs or so - probably due to re-development.
Jack
ps, aren't those Poor Relief records just great!

[bibby]

thanks Jack that clears another wee mistery,
once again it all helps,bibby

[Tom Waters]

Hi , Iam Tom Waters , ex- Govanite, what Waters family are you researching.