Jean Mcghie

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:08 pm

Hi Liz,
Who was the informant for Catherine's death? Anyone we know?
I'm assuming Robert died before 1851, which is a pity, since there don't appear to be any surviving death records for either Morton, Dumfries or Old Monkland.
All the best,
Sarah

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:30 pm

Hi Sarah,

Should have included that as it was James Hamilton son-in-law!

Regards
Liz

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:40 pm

Hi Liz,
Too bad it wasn't a McConnon relative!

Have you found Catherine in 1841 & 1851? If that's not her as Catherine Gracie, then I haven't found her in either one of those censuses.

Sarah

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:29 pm

Hi Sarah,
No I can't find any trace of her or Robert Mcghie in 1841 or 51 Census. Its very frustrating

Liz

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:49 pm

Could this be Jean and sister Margaret in 1841 from FREECEN?

Piece: SCT1841/652 Place: Old Monkland -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 8A
Civil Parish: Old Monkland Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 12 Page: 1
Address: Wheatflat Farm

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WILSON James M 67 Farmer Lanarkshire
WILSON John M 40 Lanarkshire
WILSON William M 30 Lanarkshire
WILSON James M 8 Lanarkshire
WILSON Hellen F 25 Lanarkshire
MCGEE Jean F 15 Female Servant Dumfries-shire
MCGEE Margaret F 13 Female Servant Dumfries-shire

and how about this for Robert and Catherine?

Piece: SCT1841/652 Place: Old Monkland -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 24A
Civil Parish: Old Monkland Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 25 Page: 22
Address: Langlone Blair Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCGEE Robert M 30 Unknown
MCGEE (Mrs) F 25 Unknown
MCGEE Thos M 9 Unknown
MCGEE Janet F 11 Unknown

Added later - definitely them. Thomas's birth is recorded on SP

1 27/04/1832 MCGHIE THOMAS GRACIE ROBERT MCGHIE/CATHARINE MCCONNAN FR251 M Morton /DUMFRIES

Regards,
Annette M

Later ..................Just had another look and it mentions Langloan Iron Works

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:56 pm

I think this is Margaret in 1881 -

Dwelling: 19 Cumbernauld Rd
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203639 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 45 Page 14
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John MILLER M 50 M New Monklands, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Joiner
Margaret MILLER M 53 F East Morton Thorn Hill, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Joiner Wife

Unfortunately there is only a submission for the marriage but there is a child born to this couple.
Just wondered what it might say on her death entry.

Regards,
Annette M

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:19 pm

Nice one Annette! I saw Jane and Margaret in 1841 and agree that must be them. Robert and Catherine was a clever find! I hope Liz will get back and tell us whether there was a son Thomas in the family... Oh! I see you have come back with a birth record-- brilliant!

Here is Janet in 1851 (and look at the middle name of the head of household

Hawy's Land, New Dundyvan, Old Monkland, Lanark
Jane Gracie Brown, 79, Head, born Penpont, Dumfries, Grocer
Elisa W Brown, 41, Daughter, born Moffat, Dumfries, Grocer
Janet McGee, 19, Servant, born Morton, Dumfries, House Servant

All the best,
Sarah

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:23 pm

SarahND wrote:Nice one Annette! I saw Jane and Margaret in 1841 and agree that must be them. Robert and Catherine was a clever find! I hope Liz will get back and tell us whether there was a son Thomas in the family...

Here is Janet in 1851 (and look at the middle name of the head of household

Hawy's Land, New Dundyvan, Old Monkland, Lanark
Jane Gracie Brown, 79, Head, born Penpont, Dumfries, Grocer
Elisa W Brown, 41, Daughter, born Moffat, Dumfries, Grocer
Janet McGee, 19, Servant, born Morton, Dumfries, House Servant

All the best,
Sarah

Excellent Sarah!

The same middle name as Robert and Catherine's son Thomas.

Regards,
Annette M

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:30 pm

nelmit wrote: The same middle name as Robert and Catherine's son Thomas.

Nobody appears to have the middle name McConnon in this lot

Here's Margaret in 1851, who is getting younger:

Lamsden Land, Old Monkland, Lanark
John Hill, 29, Head, born Barony, Lanarkshire, Master Wright Employing C Man
Helen Hill, 24, Wife, born Barony, Lanarkshire, Master Wright Employing C Man Wife
Margaret McGhee, 20, Servant, born Morton, Dumfriesshire, House Servant
Mary Anderson, 16, Servant, born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, House Servant

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:43 pm

Jane Gracie was born 21 Jun 1771 Penpont, Dumfries
Father: John Gracie
Mother: Jean Ker

The mother of Katherine McConnon was ALSO Jean Kerr

Well, I know it's a common name, but...

no. I can't see poor Jean Kerr having Jane in 1771, then marrying John McConnon and having Katherine in 1799. Pushing it a bit to have 28 years of childbearing-- although possible?

Sarah