David Smith and Margaret Wilson from Castle Douglas

[sjbrundan]

David Smith- son of Mary Jane Smith
born Parish of twynholm
17 Jan 1904

[nelmit]

The one you found appears to be the only one born in the correct time frame at Kirkcudbright.
I noticed the Hugh Smith that Jean found was born at Wigtown. Have you looked at the 2 David Smiths who were born there in 1903 and 1904?

Regards,
Annette

[sjbrundan]

Thanks for all your help,
i think i need to get a good map of scotland to find where all these places are.
I will have a look at the 2 David Smiths from Wigtown.

sarah

[WilmaM]

think i need to get a good map of scotland to find where all these places are

See viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3637 in our own TalkingScot Library for a list of useful on-line maps.

[sjbrundan]

When i look up the scottish people website, trying to find the 2 david Smith, that were born in Wigtown 1903/1904 i can't find any.
Is wigtown an area of another part ie kirkcudbright? I don't know scotland very well.
i have tried searching with giving the area as wigtown also without putting an area and still nothing.

what am i doing wrong?????
sarah

[nelmit]

When i look up the scottish people website, trying to find the 2 david Smith, that were born in Wigtown 1903/1904 i can't find any.
Is wigtown an area of another part ie kirkcudbright? I don't know scotland very well.
i have tried searching with giving the area as wigtown also without putting an area and still nothing.

what am i doing wrong?????
sarah

Sarah,

Disregard Wigtown for the moment - Andrew's post sounds much more likely as the birth was at Kelton.

Regards,
Annette

[AndrewP]

Hi Sarah,

The 1963 deaths mentioned above were both registered in Kelton registration district, Kirkcudbrightshire. The main town of Kelton RD was Castle Douglas. As these deaths were less than 50 years ago, the certificates are not available to view or download on the internet. Extract copies can be bought, but these are expensive. If you know of anyone going in to New Register House, you could ask them to view these certificates and transcribe the information for you. The ages at death on the SP index lead back to the correct timeframe for the births that you are seeking.

Go to http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/2nd_ed_list.html and select map 5 - Kirkcudbright. The pink coloured parish in the centre of that map is Kelton. Click on it a few times to zoom in on it. You will find Castle Douglas at the top end of the parish. A short distance south-west of there you will find Keltonhill, which I would take as a spelling variation of Kiltonhill that you mention above.

To see the two birth records mentioned above, insert the name (David Smith), and the county (Wigtown) and the years 1903 to 1904. That search will produce the two results. No promise that either are the one you are seeking. However, due to an index error on ScotlandsPeople, Kelton has been misplaced in Dumfries-shire. If you search for a birth of David Smith in Kelton (Dumfries-shire) you will find one in 1902. All going well, he will be the one that you are seeking - check that the parents match the ones given on David's marriage certificate. That certificate should also give you information concerning the parents' marriage that will help you go back a further generation.

All the best,

AndrewP

[WilmaM]

If you enter:
Smith David male 1903 to 1904
and put Wigtown in the 'County/City/Minor Records' box

then 2 come up 1 in Kirkinner,[south of Wigtown town]
the other, Stoneykirk [ south of Stranraer]

Wigtown is the town in the County of the same name, all part of Dumfries & Galloway - the south west portion of Scotland, that stretches from the English border out until it nearly touches Northern Ireland.

Entering any of those names into Google maps or Multimap, will give you an idea of the geography.

[sjbrundan]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.............

I have found him!!!

my grandfather
David Smith born 13 August 1902 Kilton. Died 1963
married 1928 - Orchardton to
Margaret Wilson 1904? (still looking for her correct date and place of birth)

David's parents
John Smith (dob 1865, haven't found date of death yet) and Jessie Wylie Mair (1869-1950)
married 19 jan 1892, Dreghorn

John Smith's parents
William Smith and Agnes Smith - next step is to find info on this couple.

I am so please to have finally found the info for my grandfather David Smith, he died before i was born and my father died before i started looking at the family tree (i don't know any of my fathers family in Scotland). I couldn't have done it with out all the help that you have all given me, so i just wanted to say a huge thank you, for your time and knowledge.

Regards
Sarah

[AndrewP]

Hi Sarah,

Finding the death of a John Smith death could be expensive on ScotlandsPeople. A starting point would be in Kelton between 1901 (birth of son in 1902) and 1950 (wife noted as widow on her death certificate). However, it is only an assumption that he died in Kelton, and that his age at death was correctly given.

His parents' family are easier to work on. A parent search on the online IGI ( http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... _form=true ) produces the following family group.

AGNES SMITH - Birth: 19 JUN 1863 Riccarton, Ayrshire
JOHN SMITH - Birth: 14 NOV 1864 Riccarton, Ayrshire
ANNIE SMITH - Birth: 11 AUG 1866 Riccarton, Ayrshire
JEANIE SMITH - Birth: 01 MAY 1868 Riccarton, Ayrshire
ELIZABETH SMITH - Birth: 22 NOV 1869 Riccarton, Ayrshire
HUGH DUNLOP SMITH - Birth: 11 NOV 1871 Riccarton, Ayrshire
MARY ANNIE SMITH - Birth: 05 DEC 1873 Riccarton, Ayrshire

and the parents' marriage:

WILLIAM SMITH / AGNES DUNLOP - Marriage: 05 MAR 1862 Kilmaurs, Ayrshire

These should all be available to look up on ScotlandsPeople. These birth records on the online IGI stop at the end of 1874, so there could be more children born later to this family not indexed there. They would be best tracked down by the censuses. A look at the 1881 census should tell you if there were more. The details on the 1862 marriage certificate should take you back another generation.

The 1881 census indicates there were at least another two children born to this couple after 1874, and the 1891 census indicates that there was one more after the 1881 census. There could of course be more, who did not survive up to the next census, or for some reason were away from home at the census time.

All the best,

AndrewP