George Thompson

Looking for Scottish Ancestors

Moderator: Global Moderators

SarahND
Site Admin
Posts: 5647
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:47 am
Location: France

Re: George Thompson

Post by SarahND » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:38 am

Hi Lynne,
After looking all over the place for George, I wondered what if he gave an incorrect age at his marriage? It wouldn't be the first time. In fact, I'm beginning to think it was almost obligatory to give a false age :lol: Anyway...
raybfarrow wrote:Their marriage certificate give his parents as Joseph and Mary Thomson (formerly Newell)
Given that, doesn't this George look likely?

1851
Lochsmaddie, Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright
George Newal, 80, Head, born ?? County of Down, Ireland, Farmer of 12 Acres
Sarah Newal, 55, Wife, born ??, Ireland, Farmer's Wife
Jane Newal, 12, Grandaughter, born Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scholar
John Thomson, 11, Grandson, born Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scholar
George Thomson, 9, Grandson, born Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scholar
Mary Logan, 50, Visitor, born Antrom, Ireland, Traveller Hemp

Looks like he had an older brother John. We also see why none of this group seems to make it to the OPRs... Given the place of birth of the grandparents, this family may well be Roman Catholic.

All the best,
Sarah

SarahND
Site Admin
Posts: 5647
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:47 am
Location: France

Post by SarahND » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:47 am

Hi again,
If you like the looks of the family in my last post, go back to 1841 and indeed, as you suspected, Sarah was the second wife.

George Newal married Sally Dowie 3 Mar 1846 in Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright

The mother of the Newal children who interest us was Isabella:

1841
Lochsmadde, Crossmichael, Kirkcudbrightshire
George Newal, 70, born Ireland, Farmer
Isabella Newal, 65, born Kirkcudbrightshire
George Newal, 20, born Kirkcudbrightshire
Jean Newal, 2, born Kirkcudbrightshire

Delving a little further we see that she was Isabella Lindsay. Through the intervention of some benevolent spirit, daughter Mary's christening appears on the IGI:

Mary Newal was christened 16 Nov 1812 in Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright
Father: George Newal
Mother: Isabella Lindsay

This appears to be one of those parts of Scotland where the online IGI only has female births. In fact, Mary had at least 3 brothers, one also born in Balmaghie (George in 1814) and two born in Buittle (Robert in 1805 and James in 1806). There may be more, given the gap in the middle and given a tantalizing Charles Newell, born in Balmaghie who keeps popping up in the censuses, but those are all whose births I found.

There is no convincing Mary Newal in 1841, but several possible Mary Thompsons, so I think she was probably married before then. Unfortunately, Ancestry didn't index the marital status, and FreeCen hasn't finished this county yet, so there's no easy way to check which of the several plausible Mary Thomsons are married. None are living with a Joseph. But there are two in Balmaghie, one working as one of 6 Ag Labs for a farmer named David Bean, and one working as a servant in this stately home: http://www.visitsouthernscotland.co.uk/ ... i2681.html

The Johnstone family was living there in 1841, with 7 children the last two twins, so they needed a bit of help.

If either of the two Balmaghie Marys are yours, she would not have been far from her parents in Crossmichael. She might even have left the children with them while she earned the money to support them. It's not clear which of the Joseph Thomsons might be George's father...

There is a Joseph Thomson, parents Joseph and Mary Newal, born in Crossmichael in 1844. He is the only child born to parents with those names between 1830 and 1854 in all of Scotland. So... I am leaning towards the idea that George started out life as Joseph, and for some reason got changed to George. We hear no more from Joseph and Mary and it is possible they both died soon after George's birth. Or maybe Mary died at his birth and Joseph did a runner... and the grandparents decided they would rather call him after Grandpa.

Or... since the one born in 1844 would have been neither 9 in 1851 nor 20 in 1867, and since there is no sign of a John being born either and there he is too in 1851 with his grandparents, it may be that Joseph was the only one who made it into the register, and perhaps he and the mother died shortly after his birth. All speculation, of course :roll: I would be tempted to get the film of births in Crossmichael and scroll through it page by page...

All the best,
Sarah

Currie
Posts: 3924
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:20 am
Location: Australia

Post by Currie » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:30 am

Hello Lynne,

Regarding the ship, “Athole”, you mentioned, the information hereunder may refer to it.

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Saturday, August 22, 1874
Action brought against R. G. Wood, shipowner, Hanover Street, Glasgow, in respect of two seamen belonging to the ship Athole of London. They were put ashore on Cape Verd Island in September 1873 because of misconduct and should have been taken home.

Mercantile Navy list of 1860. (26375, Athole, London.)
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=0ek ... #PPT522,M1

See Official Number 26375 on this list – Athole, London, 306 tons.
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/IBON25,000-29,999.htm

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Tuesday, December 13, 1870
Athole, 305, Blake, from Swansea to Glasgow, ballast.

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Wednesday, January 11, 1871
Athole, 305, Rendle, from Glasgow to St Paul de Loando, general cargo.

No. 26375 appears in Parliamentary Papers, in respect of the above 1871 voyage but is shown as Athol registered Port of Fowey (6 crew jailed for refusing to sail).

Hope that helps,
Alan