Soldiers stationed at Edinburgh Castle around 1879

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:42 pm

JMDPotter wrote:Sarah and Annette

Thanks for looking.

The man is the bain of my life as the spelling of his name keeps changing I have been unable to trace him on any other census. He may have been abroad if he was a soldier but I know he was home in 1901 but still no trace. Unfortunately as all searches apart from this have been done in Scotland I do not have Ancestry as i was advised it would be a waste of money as it directs you to Scotlands People for a lot of records so have had to rely on people's kindness.

Regards Jackie

I would be very surprised if the man at Colchester is not your Peter. Jackie if you want to PM me with your email address I will send that census to you.

Sarah if you look at the original image at Ancestry it has dittos all the way from the first entry on the page showing Infantry Militia.

Regards,
Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:51 pm

So is this your Catherine in 1881?

Dwelling: 354 Castle Hill
Census Place: Edinburgh Tolbooth, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224004 GRO Ref Volume 685-4 EnumDist 23 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Margaret MC GARRY W 49 F Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Refreshment Room Keeper
Catherine H. MC GARRY M 20 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Bookfolder
James MC GARRY U 17 M Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Cooper
William MC GARRY U 15 M Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Cooper
Margaret H. MC GARRY 9 m F Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Grandchild

Regards,
Annette

JMDPotter · Post by **JMDPotter** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:01 pm

Annette

That's her again she is using her maiden name

since she married in 1879 and there were other children after this date they were obviously still together. Someone on another site informed me that she was with other children in 1891 using maiden name I now wonder if they have this wrong meant that she was with Margaret in 1881 using maiden name unfortunately they did not post census details.

I think that you are correct regarding the 1901 census the name is too unusual for it to be a coincidence and he did die back down south

Think I can finally put him to bed

Jackie

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:08 am

Hello Jackie,

This is the history of the 50th from the regiments.org database and I’ve included just the 1869 – 1911 period.

The 50th (The Queen's Own) Regiment of Foot – (1755-1881)

1869 England
1874 Ireland
1878 Scotland
1880 England

On 1st July, 1881 they became the 1st Battalion, The Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) – (1881-1961)

1881 England: Colchester
1882 Egypt
1882 Cyprus
1884 Sudan
1886 Gibraltar
1889 Malta
1892 India: Chakratta
1894 Meerut
1896 Peshawar
1899 Aden
1901 Malta
1902 England: Shorncliffe
1904 Malta
1906 England: Dover
1909 Bordon
1911 Ireland: Dublin

Still looking,
Alan

JMDPotter · Post by **JMDPotter** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:38 am

Alan

Many Thanks for that info. That may explain why he wasn't appearing on any UK census for several years.

Jackie

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:31 pm

Hello Jackie,

Are you also researching Peter Henrette Snr., the Tailor, from 4 Honeysuckle Square? (St Giles without Cripplegate) There’s some info about him floating around. It’s to do with a court case over voting rights and maybe something to do with the Society of Cogers.

If so, I’ll round it up tomorrow.

All the best,
Alan

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:08 am

Hi
Dont know if this will help or not. I have a three vol. book I picked up which tells you the which regements were serving in a certain place and in which year. It seems in 1879-1880 the 50th Regement Queen's Own Regement was serving in Edinburgh. This regement was mainly recruited from Kent. This info was listed for Edinburgh. There is a seperate listing for Edinburgh Castle which only goes up to 1873. I can only think that the regent would be based at Edinburgh Castle because as far as I am aware the other three barracks in Edinburgh were not built until much later.
Hope this helps
Smudge

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:29 am

smudge wrote:I can only think that the regent would be based at Edinburgh Castle because as far as I am aware the other three barracks in Edinburgh were not built until much later.

Hi Smudge,

Redford and Dreghorn Barracks are both 20th century built. Two older barracks (both went during the 20th century) were Leith Fort and Piershill Barracks. They were both within what is now considered as the City of Edinburgh, although strictly speaking were in Leith at the time (Leith Fort in North Leith parish, and Piershill Barracks in the landward part of South Leith parish).

All the best,

AndrewP

JMDPotter · Post by **JMDPotter** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:56 pm

HI Thanks to all who have taken the time to help it is much appreicated.

Andrew any info would be appreciated and I will post if on to Elaine who is the lady who actually has Peter in her family tree but as she stays in Denmark I offered to help her 6 months ago trying to find him on Scottish Records but finally gave up and started looking down south when I came across birth and death details although spelt somewhat different, this find proved to be him as census info matched the marriage and death cert info.
Now we are trying to find his children and have this from 1891 census

1891 Census:
354 Castlehill, Tolbooth, Edinburgh.
Margaret McGarry - Widow - 58 yrs - Keeper of Refreshment Rooms.
Catherine Henretty - Grand daughter - 5 yrs.
Mary Henretty - Grand daughter - 5 yrs.

Catherine (wife) is not on census as she died in the same year and we know the gran died in 1898 but have no idea what happened to the children Celestia born 1883 in Edinburgh, Catherine c1886 re 1891 census Edin cannot find birth details, Mary c1889 Springburn Glasgow re 1891 census again cannot find birth details . Margaret dob 1880 died 27 June 1893 viewed death cert on Scoltands People.

Any help would be appreciated

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:00 am

Hello Jackie,

There are a number of books digitised by Google that contain lengthy detail of a 1863 court case over attempts to remove Peter Henrette, a tailor, of 4 Honeysuckle Square, from a list of voters in the Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate. They can be downloaded and are easier read that way. This one probably covers it all. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=f1U ... =#PPA24,M1

There’s another book “History of ye Antient Society of Cogers 1755-1903” by Peter Rayleigh, 1903. This one is only visible in snippet form but with a bit of fiddling it’s possible to tease a bit more out of it. This segment of the book seems to be about a Mr. Piper. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Sg0 ... %22&pgis=1

Page 195
Dickens never brought to Cogers’ Hall his friend John Forster. This was cited on one occasion as a proof that the eccentrics of Cogers’ figured so largely in his works. Forster, it was urged, knew all Dickens’s friends, and in the event of a quarrel with Dickens would be able to say, "The characters in your books are not drawn from imagination, but are mere vulgar copies of living people.”……… ……… ………. …….. ………. Piper was run over by a brewer's dray some time in 1858. Peter Henrette, a very noted Coger and a scholar of no mean attainments, considering that he followed the humble calling of tailor, delivered an oration over the grave of the little man. ……… ……… ………. ………. ………. Henrette, or Pete, as he was called, was (if there be such a thing) a born orator. His style, although far too declamatory for the present age, was highly relished in the early fifties, although by the time he was elected Vice-Grand his (Start Page 196) popularity was on the wane. The indifference shown him made Henrette quite miserable, for the tailor regarded himself as one of the most heroic and unselfish of men. His orations absolutely bristled with gorgeous phrases, in which benevolence, hatred of oppression, love of liberty, and the like, figured conspicuously. He was so convinced that he was one of the purest, most heroic, and unselfish of men, that he never neglected an opportunity for telling his audience that the mean and baser passions of mankind found no place in his breast. As a matter of fact, Pete was no better than the rest of us. In one respect he was worse—he was entirely destitute of sweet reasonableness. I never knew him to speak well of anybody or anything. The rulers of the world were bloodthirsty, cruel, selfish, and vain; the aristocracy were a set of debauched and sensual spendthrifts; the virtue of the ……… ………

Used copies of the book are available for sale at AbeBooks etc. http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Searc ... &tn=cogers

About the Cogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogers

Hope that’s useful,
Alan