Was there an epidemic around 1867?

LowlanderDaughter · Post by **LowlanderDaughter** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:19 am

There isn't a correction to the birth registry at all. Where the information of the father is supposed to be listed, it only says "illigitamate" and the qualified informant is "Elizabeth Liddell Erskine, mother." Would Elizabeth's going alone to the register's office have something to do with not having the correction made when his name was changed? No one would know the answer to this, but I think she didn't know how to spell or pronounce Carlisle, and misspelled it Carzile.

Have a good day,
Rhonda

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:30 pm

Hi Rhonda,

LowlanderDaughter wrote: Would Elizabeth's going alone to the register's office have something to do with not having the correction made when his name was changed?

It would have something to do with why the name Carlisle couldn't be given on the initial registration, but I guess they never saw the need to get it corrected. I have seen a case where the name was corrected 40 or 50 years later in order to clarify an inheritance! But if no one ever questioned the fact that he was John Carlisle, I guess they could let it slide.

LowlanderDaughter wrote: No one would know the answer to this, but I think she didn't know how to spell or pronounce Carlisle, and misspelled it Carzile.

So it is quite clearly written with a 'z'? I had wondered whether it was a mis-transcription of the record or whether it was actually written that way. As a phonetician I am interested to know how she pronounced it!

Sounds kinda cute, Carzile... I'm sure John Sr. found it endearing

Regards,
Sarah

LowlanderDaughter · Post by **LowlanderDaughter** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:45 pm

Hi Sarah,

To break the name down, the "Car" is very clear, and the ending "ile" is very clear, but the middle part looks like it could be either a y or a z. Yet because there are other "y's" in the registery and this doesn't look like them, it has to be a z.

Thank you for your time, and helping me.

Rhonda

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:15 am

Hi Rhonda,

I've had a look at that birth certificate, and agree that there is little else it can be but Carzile. The z is the same in Elizabeth (Alexander's mother, and the mother of the child listed in the next entry). The online IGI has also interpreted the name as Carzile.

All the best,

AndrewP

LowlanderDaughter · Post by **LowlanderDaughter** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:16 am

I have more questions about the name change. My Great Grandfather was born in Polmont Stirling. When his parents John and Elizabeth were wed 11 months later, they were in Slamannan Stirling. They stayed in Slamannan, his two younger brothers were born there, and Elizabeth died there in 1867. Do you think the correction was not made to the birth registry because Elizabeth and my Great Grandfather moved after he was born? Was it illegal to not go back to a registrar's office and tell them of a name change? Did people have to pay to register, either at a Parish or a registrar's office?

Have a good day.
Rhonda

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:20 am

LowlanderDaughter wrote:Do you think the correction was not made to the birth registry because Elizabeth and my Great Grandfather moved after he was born? Was it illegal to not go back to a registrar's office and tell them of a name change? Did people have to pay to register, either at a Parish or a registrar's office?

In Scotland, you can call yourself by what name you like, so long as it is not for fraudulent reasons. As far as I know that has been the case for a long time (always?). So there would be no legal reason to go back to the registrar and have the name changed.

All the best,

AndrewP

LowlanderDaughter · Post by **LowlanderDaughter** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:16 am

AndrewP,

Thank you for clarifing name changes. I'm ready to start hunting again for my Carlisle relatives.

Enjoy your day,
Rhonda

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:50 am

Hi Rhonda,

Keep an open mind for the spelling of Carlisle. I would suggest using wildcards - Car*le - to catch Carlisle, Carlile, Carlyle and Carzile.

All the best,

AndrewP

LowlanderDaughter · Post by **LowlanderDaughter** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:54 pm

Hi Andrew,

Thank you for the advice. I didn't understand what Scotlandspoeple meant by "wildcard." I have John G Carlisle's dad and grandfather's approximate year of birth, but the last time I tried to find them in a birth registry I couldn't. Now I can search for them in a better way.

Best Wishes,
Rhonda

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:34 pm

Hi Rhonda,

The wildcards are:

* = any amount of letters, or none
? = one letter; ?? = 2 letters; etc.
?* = at least one letter; ??* = at least 2 letters; etc.

All the best,

AndrewP