Could it be right ???

[Currie]

Hello all,

You probably should read this from the bottom up.

Regarding any military records, all that I can do is refer you to the various research guides produced by the National Archives, especially via the links to the in-depth research guides at the bottom of this page. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/reco ... lp=rg-3110

The main message there in respect of the early records is “To trace a man's army career by way of the musters, you will have to know the name of his regiment”.

The ones coming up in the National Archives search mainly seem to be Chelsea Pensioners who served their time or who were incapacitated etc. I think all those records are now on FMP. They only date from 1760. There are some Angus Sinclair’s there born much later and a couple with no date or place of birth in the index. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/chelsea-pen ... art.action

The National Archives search is here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/sear ... d=True&j=t

This is the page that refers to “Aenaes Sinclair, Comrie - pressed by the rebels - at home” It appears to be unsourced. http://www.highlandstrathearn.com/content/45

Here’s the source, page 50 and 51, List of Rebels, Publication of the Scottish History Society, September 1890. “A List of Persons Concerned in the Rebellion Transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise by the Several Supervisors in Scotland in Obedience to a General Letter of the 7th May 1746 and a Supplementary List with Evidences to Prove the Same“ http://www.archive.org/stream/alistpers ... 5/mode/2up

I suspect that’s all there is to find militarily speaking, at least for the involuntary rebel.

Alan

[AnneM]

Alan. You are a genius! The book naming the rebels is fascinating and were I not flying off somewhere shortly I would have to read the whole thing. Must come back to it.

Anne

[garydevine1995]

Aeneas (English), Acestes, Angus (English, Irish, and Scottish)

i found this on the internet. i knew that aeneas ment angus in scottish but as it says aeneas is the english way then wouldnt it make sense that he changed his name after the rebellion because the redcoats were still looking for rebel prisioners and thats why he changed his name so he could hide from the redcoats. just thought it made more sense as he could of been angus going into the army or even aeneas knowing that if anything does happen then the english might leave him as he had an english name or somthing along those lines.

just a thought.

and alan thanks for those websites ecpecially for the rebel book one that was amazing to see the names are the same. other thign is, as it says lurking it could be right that he did marry flora camron and because he was moving about he could of had affairs with janet brown and janet buchanan but then i dont no much about the rebellion so it could of been over by 1752 and he just had affairs but i do find it strange that there could be 3 aeneas sinclairs in perthshire at the same time.

any thoughts ??

[LesleyB]

Hi Gary

i do find it strange that there could be 3 aeneas sinclairs in perthshire at the same time

To me that is not at all odd. It is quite possible there could have been three men called the same, maybe cousins, maybe second cousins, or perhaps more distantly related. Familes very often repeat the same names as I'm sure you are aware from your own research - it is not at all unusual to find a name combination repeated in several inter-related families over several generations. It is a common pattern in Scotland.

One thing you find in family history research is that it is dangerous to jump to conclusions without any proof to back up the hunch. Sometimes if you are not careful you can convince yourself that your hunch is correct when it is not based on any actual proof at all. Proof is where the hard work often comes in - sometimes finding the documentation to prove a hunch can take many visits to archives and other depositories and years of research. It is usually worth it though!

Best wishes
Lesley

[sinclair46]

Hello all,

You probably should read this from the bottom up.

Regarding any military records, all that I can do is refer you to the various research guides produced by the National Archives, especially via the links to the in-depth research guides at the bottom of this page. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/reco ... lp=rg-3110

The main message there in respect of the early records is “To trace a man's army career by way of the musters, you will have to know the name of his regiment”.

The ones coming up in the National Archives search mainly seem to be Chelsea Pensioners who served their time or who were incapacitated etc. I think all those records are now on FMP. They only date from 1760. There are some Angus Sinclair’s there born much later and a couple with no date or place of birth in the index. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/chelsea-pen ... art.action

The National Archives search is here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/sear ... d=True&j=t

This is the page that refers to “Aenaes Sinclair, Comrie - pressed by the rebels - at home” It appears to be unsourced. http://www.highlandstrathearn.com/content/45

Here’s the source, page 50 and 51, List of Rebels, Publication of the Scottish History Society, September 1890. “A List of Persons Concerned in the Rebellion Transmitted to the Commissioners of Excise by the Several Supervisors in Scotland in Obedience to a General Letter of the 7th May 1746 and a Supplementary List with Evidences to Prove the Same“ http://www.archive.org/stream/alistpers ... 5/mode/2up

I suspect that’s all there is to find militarily speaking, at least for the involuntary rebel.

Alan

hi Alan first of all i would like to thank you very much for the links we would not have found it without your help Aeneus as we have found is our ancestor no doubt i think, do you think that the aeneus who was with the jacobites is the same one we have persued do you in other words think we have enough evidence that it is if not dont know where else to go thank you again

[Currie]

That’s ok Sinclair,

I agree with everything that Anne and Lesley have already said.

If you’re writing a novel or a script for a movie then it’s not a problem, but if you’re going to claim it as historical fact and it’s challenged then there’s no way you’ll be able to prove it satisfactorily.

I don’t know why Aeneas would have done a runner. He wasn’t lurking, he was at home. It’s been recorded that he was pressed into the rebel army. That means that he was forced, probably by means of violence and serious threat. That makes him a victim rather than a guilty party. And the supposed name change wasn’t really a change at all.

But what it really comes down to is that it’s your project and you can do it any way you like. There’s no reason why you can’t add possible scenarios, but add an explanation a well. Otherwise other people who see it may take it as gospel fact rather than as what you hope it had been.

All the best,
Alan

[LaurieS]

Hello
I am currently working on this same line and I found this post while digging for information. I hope no one minds me popping in here to compare what I have in case anyone is still looking at this thread and can help.

My Grandmother was Grace Eliza Sinclair, handed down from her I have a family history album that she kept and this included documentation for her.(Birth, marriage, and death) as well other documentation, basic family trees, some family letters and stories .

Her parents were:
Father : Mungo Sinclair born May 23rd 1861 in Fergus Ont .
Mother: Jessie Julina Woods, born Feb 11th 1881.in Wallace Nova Scotia
They were married June 23rd 1910.
The above was documented by my Great grandmother Jessie, as well as my Grandmother. And again I have sources on these two, including marriage, death and census records.

Mungo’s Parents were:
Father : Henry Sinclair born Feb. 1834 in Creiff Scotland.
(he is the Sinclair in my family who came over from Crieff, Scotland and I have a some family documented stories about him as well ) I also have Birth, Death, marriage and census records on him. Most important is a baptism record (March 18th 1834) and marriage record( Jan 03 1860 )with the year he was born, the place his parents, and wife.
Mother: Grace Wilkie Aug. 29 1839 in Ont. Canada (census, marriage and death records found)

Henrys parents were:
Father: Mungo Sinclair Nov 1798 Creiff Perth Scotland (Christening record for him and all his children as well as census records (1841-1881.)
Mother: Helen (Ellen) Riddoch about 1811 not much more on her except census records showing husband and children (1841-1881)

Mungo’s parents:
Father: Mungo Sinclair 1768
Mother : Margaret McLachlan 1775
While I have found all the birth records for Mungo and Margaret’s children that is all I have found,.. except that on the family tree my grandmother had, Mungo’s father is recorded as Aeneas Sinclair and beside this entry someone has written(I assume my grandmother) “Always heard this pronounced Ennis”. Now he would have been long dead by my grandmothers time so I do not know if she meant that the family pronounced it this way or that just in general Aeneas is pronounced as Ennis or even if someone else wrote this notation..

I have found Aeneas Sinclair on family search and one of his children is recorded as Mungo, right date as far as I know, as well as the records for John Sinclair and Jannet Murray as the possible parents.
Anyway if anyone has any further info on this family I would love to hear about it.
Thank you for taking the time to read this post.
Laurie

[StewL]

Hello Laurie

No one will mind in the least to your contribution to the thread, I am sure your comments will be most welcome.
That is the purpose of TS, to help others with their searches, and hopefully link those connected to the lang deid yins we look for, and talk about on the many different topics.

[LaurieS]

Hi and thank you
L