Hugh Neil

[Currie]

Hello Lesley,

They seem to have been breeding ok for a few years and then came to a grinding halt when they were still quite young. Do we know if he was home in 1861 and where she died and what of? If there was a problem with the marriage maybe she applied for poor relief at some stage.

All the best,
Alan

[SarahND]

Hi Alan,
I'm not seeing Hugh in 1861 Nor Jane The closest I can come to the children are these three with their grandmother, but without knowing Hugh's mother's name I don't know if this can be the correct bunch (Hugh was a boarder in another family in 1851 and in 1841 his mother is noted as "Mrs Neil" )

1861
Maitland, Dailly, Ayrshire
Lillias Neil, 56, Head, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Flowerer
Jane Neil, 8, born Dailly, Ayrshire, Scholar
John Neil, 5, born Dailly, Ayrshire
Marin Neil, 3, born Dailly, Ayrshire

Elise will be able to tell us who Hugh's mother was. For the moment, this is the only record I see. (Unless he was the "Hugh O Ned" who is a Prisoner at the Central Police Office in Glasgow on census night in 1861. He is a baker, born Glasgow, but age is transcribed as 22.)

Regards,
Sarah

[elise]

Thankyou for all the information Alan; very helpful.

Hugh was a Baker; on the 1851 Scotland census it states that he's an apprentice baker living as a lodger at 226 High Street Glasgow. He went on to own his own bakery in NZ.

Hughs mothers name was Mary Johnston.

Hughs wife Jane died of bronchitis. She died at 93 High Street Glasgow aged 39.

Thankyou
Elise

[momat]

Hi Elise,
Looks like he didn't waste anytime remarrying as Jane died December 1867 in Glasgow and he married Hannah out here in New Zealand in 1868 and in those days communication would have been snails pace.
I would say that Hugh and Jane were estranged when he left for New Zealand.
On Jane's Death cert, Hugh's occupation looks like Seaman !

There is a family on the 1941 http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
here that looks like his .
1841 Census

11 Records found

Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 22
Civil Parish: Glasgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Pauls
Folio: 22 Page: 6
Address: Dean St

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
NEIL John M 46 Book Seller Lanarkshire
NEIL (Mrs) F 42 Lanarkshire
NEIL John M 25 Iron Worker Lanarkshire
NEIL Thos M 20 Printer Apprentice Lanarkshire
NEIL Robt M 15 Book Binder Apprentice Lanarkshire
NEIL Mary F 5 Lanarkshire
NEIL Hugh M 11 Lanarkshire
Page: 22/7 NEIL George M 3 Lanarkshire
NEIL Frances F 1m Lanarkshire
MARTIN Elisa F 29 Polisher Ireland
DUNNAN Elizabeth F 19 Polisher Lanarkshire

[SarahND]

Hi Maureen,
You found the same one I did with "Mrs Neil" as the helpful name of his mother! They are there in 1851 also:

1851
41 Sth Albrin St, Glasgow St David
John Neill, 51, Head, born Glasgow, Bookseller
Mary Neill, 51, Wife, born Glasgow
James Neill, 18, Son, born Glasgow, Bookseller
Mary Neill, 16, Daughter, born Glasgow
Frances Neill, 10, Daughter, born Glasgow
Isabella Neill, 4, Daughter, born Glasgow

But I can't find ANYBODY in 1861... Not John & Mary & family, nor Hugh & Jane & family. Where are they all?

Elise, were you able to find any of the family members in 1861?

All the best,
Sarah

[momat]

Wonder if this is part of the family.Would answer why

But I can't find ANYBODY in 1861... Not John & Mary & family, nor Hugh & Jane & family. Where are they all?

NEIL George Orphan - M 11 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
NEIL Mary Orphan - F 8 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow

[SarahND]

HI Maureen,
I saw those two, but they didn't seem to fit with the names and ages given by Elise... but, who knows?

Regards,
Sarah

[momat]

Hi again,
Ancestry has a tree for a Carling Family that has reference to Hugh ,John and Mary Neil.
No longer have a subscription so can't look at it.

[SarahND]

Hi Maureen,
Thanks for the tip. That seems to be the tree of someone following the family of Hugh's youngest sister Isabella, since that's where all the details are. The owner of the tree doesn't post anything about Hugh except his birth and the names of the parents (but Mary's maiden name isn't in the tree either). The last census for John is 1851, but death date is unknown. No family members have an entry for 1861...

Interestingly, sister Isabella (who married William Anderson Sawers in 1866) moved to London and was already there in 1871, so maybe that's a direction to look. I'm off to bed now, however

Sarah

[elise]

Thanks for the help Maureen.

Sarah, I couldn't find any of the family after 1861 either. The only thing I did manage to find was Hugh's two sisters marriage entries. Frances Neil married a James Albert Campbell 29/12/1866 in Glasgow and Isabella Duncan Neil married William Anderson Sawers 31/8/1866 also in Glasgow (they went on to live in London).
On Isabellas marriage entry it states that their parents John and Mary are both deceased.

This is all that I can find on the family. (I do know John and Marys son Robert immigrated to Australia because that's my direct line but as far as the rest of the family go I'm quite stuck).

On Hughs marriage to Hannah Dixon Rogers in NZ in 1868 it has his brother James Neil as a witness.

Elise