My husband's Scottish family, for our children

[AndrewP]

A diagrammatic timeline representation of the various splits and unions of the Church of Scotland and others can be seen at:

http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/c ... story.html

All the best,

AndrewP

[Currie]

Reasons for relief name as given in various books.

relief from the oppression of patronage
relief from error, from oppression, and patronage
relief from the galling yoke of patronage
relief from the grievances of lay patronage
relief from the grievance that patronage inflicted
relief from that patronage
relief from the yoke of patronage
relief from the yoke of patronage and the tyranny of the Church Courts
relief from the burden of patronage
relief from the intolerable evils of patronage

That’s a relief,
Alan

[melva'sgirl]

Thank-You all for your replies and the wealth of information supplied. It gives a person a lot to consider. And thank-you very much for the warm welcome. I appreciate all your efforts on my behalf and so you don't think I'm ignoring anyone you should know that I've been ill, so if I ask a question and don't return for a little while it's only because I need some recuperation time. I already foresee a ton more questions your answers have generated.
I had already started searching for Robert Boyd's wife Ann Allan. But then the reference to Craigie on Kilmarnock on the census records that Trish posted led me to search another direction. Estimating her birth by the 1841 census, there appears to be an Ann Allan b.7 Feb 1816, born to William Allan and Helen Hamilton of Craigie on Kilmarnock. Her birthdate matches the timeline. But then there was another Ann Allan b.26 Apr 1823, to John Allan and Marrion Hamelton at the same Hutcheson Relief Church that the other Boyd children were baptised at.
Actually the Ann Allan 1816 appears to be the one on the census but I'm not taking that as fact without some more digging. And Trish, another thing I would not have even thought to look for was Boyd Boyd. I know that families back then frequently used the surname of the previous generation as a given name. That doesn't seem to be the case here though.
Thank-you for all the help so far. I'll be sorting through it and trying to verify it as well as I can. Regards For Today, Sandy

[Russell]

Hi Sandy
Don't worry too much about being off-line for a while. We have a few other members in the same position and it doesn't affect things - after all our 'Lang Deid Yins' have been waiting a long time for us to discover their details so they can wait a little longer. You, however, are champing at the bit to find that next elusive ancestor wishing you were well enough to sit for another few hours in front of the computer screen Keep well

Can I remind you that the 1841 census rounded down the ages of everyone over the age of 15. i.e. if you were 29 your age could/would be recorded as 25. In some of the smaller communities this did not happen as the enumerator probably knew all the people on their list so there are occasional unexpected entries. Just to make your search for Ann Allan that bit more difficult.

Russell

[trish1]

Dear Alan

Those burdens of patronage seem to have given rise to many churches and much relief and for me some confusion. It is probably as well the state took over registering children, much as the church was against same, otherwise the confusion would still be continuing.

Sandy - it is possible on the IGI and the new family search to do a "parent search" - leave out the name of the person and add the parent names / date range and location. That's how I found Boyd Boyd. First time I have seen a Boyd Boyd - I did go to college with a Peter Peters and a William Williams - never quite saw the point of these names - but they seem to be popular.

Have you located the death of Ann Boyd nee Allan? That should give her parent names. I'll have a look at the census to see if I can find her post 1871 - or a search on SP for a death of Ann* Boyd - other name all*n may find her death.

take care there

Trish

[melva'sgirl]

Thank-you to all for your interest.
Trish, no I haven't found a death date for Ann Allan yet. I haven't been working on it the last day or so. Boy, are you ever giving me a tutorial on using family search! I've been using it for years, without the success I could have had if I had used it properly. Thanks a million for that alone! Now I know it seems as though I'm jumping way ahead, but I tend to see this as a family unit. Robert or John Boyd and Ann Allan are the parents of our Jessie Boyd, so it forms a little unit, are there other family members in this unit? Sometimes that has helped me quite a bit, just figuring who's the closest to them. It's helped me work on my family here but the way they put the censuses and other records online here is different. Here I can go page by page reading images. And sometimes that's better, though time consuming. I've found my great-grandparents only because I found an uncle two doors away. The search function didn't work because the handwriting on the page was so bad. I had searched it several times without success before but knowing a little more about the family dynamics led me to keep trying. I guess that's what I'm trying to do here but the system is different so maybe that isn't practical. If I'm up and about more tomorrow I'll start back again. Thanks again, Sandy

[trish1]

Hi Sandy

I agree with you about family units - I always check my grandparents siblings & great grandparents siblings etc - they often provided many clues - it really helps when you find a census and a "niece" or "nephew" is in the family. I had two children disappeared & when tracing one of their uncles who went to Scotland - I found them living with their uncle - they married and stayed in Scotland, despite starting their lives in Dorset. So keep checking those family units.

The Scottish census records on ancestry are transcripts only - so difficult to go from page to page. You can do that at Scotlandspeople - but you do there have to pay to see each page. I'll see what I can find of Ann

Trish

[melva'sgirl]

Hello!
Spent so much time looking for a death date for John and Robert Boyd and for Ann Allan Boyd with no results. I did find a marriage for Robert Adam Boyd and Ann Boyd 1866 in Sterling and I'm pretty sure that's not them. I'll keep looking. There's bound to be some information somewhere. I started going through Lanarkshire Directories at the National Library of Scotland. They go from 1783 to 1909, but each directory doesn't have the same townships included. So far I've checked all the addresses I know our families lived at ( Bilsland Drive, Ritchie St., Crown St. plus a few others). I did find cousins on Bilsland Dr. in the 1927 directory though. I've spoken with them on the phone, which was lovely, but they don't know anything on the rest of the family. Unfortunate. Thank-you all for your help. I'm not giving up, as I said, there has to be more information. I'm sending for those records and hoping for more clues.
Regards, Sandy

[melva'sgirl]

Hello All!,
I'm hoping someone has some further information on one of the families listed in my first post, John Stevenson and Jessie McColl. Jessie is Janet Campbell McColl, the daughter of Hugh McColl and Catherine Dougall. Hugh McColl b. 1810/11, the son of Samuel McColl and Janet Campbell, and Samuel McColl b.??1791, the son of Hugh McColl and Mary McLaren. These families are of the Lismore and Appin McColls. The problem arises from the 1841 census of Killeondrist. Samuel McColl, age 50, schoolmaster. He is said to be the father of 14 children from everything I've read about him, but the first 6 children are not on this census. And the age of Janet is stated to be 30 years old. If this is correct, Janet Campbell cannot possibly be the mother of Hugh because she is his same age and would only be a toddler when the oldest of Samuel's children were born. The names and ages of the children on the census do match the rest of Samuel's children, however. Does anyone know if Samuel had a previous wife, who she might have been? Thanks for any clues.

[nelmit]

If you search at SP for children born to a Samuel MColl and Campbell you get 12 result between 1807-1854 at Lismore.
One is a Hugh born 1810.

If you take out Campbell you get 15 results. Could be 2 different Samuels but it might be worth a credit to have a look.

The IGI seems to only show the girls.

Results for: Father: Samuel Mccoll, Mother: Janet Campbell

1. ANNE MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAR 1821 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland
2. EUPHEMIA MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 FEB 1817 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland
3. JANET MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 24 OCT 1835 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland
4. LILLY MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 OCT 1819 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland
5. MAGDALEN MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 NOV 1825 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland
6. MARY MCCOLL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1833 Lismore, Argyll, Scotland

The 1861 transcription shows Janet was born around 1801............but maybe this is a different Janet.

Samuel Mccoll 72
Janet Mccoll 60
Agnes Mccoll 36
Donald Mccoll 30

SP has a death indexed of a Janet McColl/Campbell at Lismore with a birth year of 1790. a look at that should tell you if this was the lady who was married to Samuel the school teacher.

Regards,
Annette