missing father !

[nelmit]

Hi Annette have you had any other ideas ? I have been juggling with my tree "Stewart" and my Mum's "Elliot", but I have to admit I'm struggling with the Elliot's

Hi Alastair,

Have you tried contacting http://www.highlandarchives.org.uk/lochaber.asp to see if there is anything about George's father in the Kirk sessions?

Regards,
Annette

[alastair01]

As I mentioned above I'm now trying to locate the Elliots of my family and was hoping for some help as I've hit a brick wall. I'm looking for the marriage details and any others for that matter for William Elliot who married Margaret Nicol in approx 1867 ish. I have their son who was Adam Elliot and he was married to Jane Mckenzie and they marrried 1880ish. I know jane died 4 Jan 1891 during childbirth of her 4th child jane.

I can't find any records however of William Elliot and margaret Nicol ( I got their names from Adam and Janes marriage certificate) I was hoping someone might be able to help trace Williams and Margaret births,marriage deaths so that I can try and obtain their parents details etc and so continue the line.

Kind regards Alastair

[LesleyB]

Hi Alastair

Which event have you hit a brick wall with? Have you already searched for the births marriages and deaths you are looking for on the Scotlands People site? It helps us to know where you have already searched.

Best wishes
Lesley

[alastair01]

Hi Lesley i'm trying to find a marriage record for William elliot and Margaret Nicol. They are listed as parents of Adam Elliot at his marriage in 1880 and Wiliam is lsted as deceased by that time. I have managed to trace the family through the censuses 1840 onwards but no trace of a marriage. I know Margaret was from Northumberland and William was from Dunfrieshshire ( I think I can read this from the census). I can only think that they were married in England as Scotlands people can find no trace. saying that i can't find any trace of them on findmypast either.
Any ideas ?

Kind regards Alastair

[LesleyB]

Hi Alastiar

Do you have a birth entry for their son Adam? Do you know when and where he was born? If in Scotland, the birth entry should give the date and place of the parents' marriage (or the date and place where they said they were married which is not always accurate, if indeed it happened!)

Where did son Adam marry? How old was Adam when he married?

I have managed to trace the family through the censuses 1840 onwards but no trace of a marriage

Where are the family in 1841? 1851? etc...

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

On family search http://www.familysearch.org there is an Adam Elliot born in 1849 and christened at LochBroom, Ross and Cromarty with a father William and a mother Margaret Nicol.... the names are all there, but the date is 20 years out according to the dates you have given for the Adam you are searching for. Have you considered this one?

If this is the one you are searching for, then the marriage is much earlier than your estimate. There also appears to be a couple of the same names in the Dumfries area having children later on (1860s).
We need to know what age Adam says he is at the time of his marriage, and what ages he is at the census years?

[AndrewP]

Hi Alastair,

It looks as if they were married well before 1867. A parent search on the online IGI gives this list of children.

Thomas Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 20 Feb 1855 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
Elizabeth Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 11 Aug 1856 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
John Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 14 May 1858 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
Mary Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 17 Sep 1860 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
William Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 27 Oct 1862 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
Margaret Elliot . . . . . . . . . . . birth: 24 Sep 1864 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
David Scott Elliot . . . . . . . . . . birth: 25 Oct 1866 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
George James Elliot . . . . . . . . birth: 05 Jan 1872 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
Robert Aeneas Macaulay Elliot . . birth: 06 Oct 1873 . . CANONBIE,​DUMFRIES,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol

Parents wedding details should be given on the birth certificates in 1855, and from 1860 onwards. I looked at the 1855 and the 1860 birth certificates. They give the same marriage place, but a different year. On looking at the OPRs, I see no sign of the marriage. Not all marriages were recorded; or they could have been married by a church other than the Established Church of Scotland (the keepers of the OPRs). The IGI birth inndex stops at 1874, so there could be more after Robert.

Do you have a birth record for Adam Elliot? He doen't show up on the IGI parent search.

You should find all of these birth certificates on ScotlandsPeople.

All the best,

AndrewP

[LesleyB]

Hi Andrew

See a possible Adam mentioned above -Adam Elliot born in 1849 and christened at LochBroom, Ross and Cromarty with a father William and a mother Margaret Nicol.

The same couple appear to have a son David in July 1855, Lochbroom, so I don't think they can be the same couple as the Dumfries couple. At least it is another 1855 event so there should be plenty info for Alistair to see on the birth entry and from there he can maybe decide if it is the correct family or not.

Best wishes
Lesley

[AndrewP]

Hi Lesley and Alastair,

This does appear to be a separate family of similar names, a couple of hundred miles away from the lot I listed above.

William Elliot . . birth: 21 Oct 1845 . . . . . . . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol
. . . . . . . . . . .christening: 26 Jan 1846 . . . . LOCHBROOM,​ROSS AND CROMARTY,​SCOTLAND

Adam Elliot . . birth: 11 Apr 1849 . . . . . . . . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nicol
. . . . . . . . . . christening: 26 May 1849 . . . . LOCHBROOM,​ROSS AND CROMARTY,​SCOTLAND

David Elliot . . birth: 20 Jul 1855 . . . . . . . . . LOCHBROOM,​ROSS AND CROMARTY,​SCOTLAND . . parents: William Elliot,​ Margaret Nichol

The 1855 birth certificate gives a marriage date and place. I don't see that marriage showing up in the OPRs either.

I think you will need to find William's and Margaret's death certificates to have a chance of naming their parents. That assumes the person registering these deaths knew the names of the parents.

All the best,

AndrewP

[LesleyB]

Could easily be Free Kirk folks in that area, so not in OPRs... if WIlliam was the first child the marriage will likely have taken place about the time of the Disruption or not long after, when some records for some of the Free Kirk were just not kept, it seems. ( I have a few missing events myself for Free Kirk folks around that time)